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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by joven View Post
    Not quite. Equipments are nasty artifacts. They are rarely of colors as Auras usually are. Also most Equipments have an equip cost, which is often way to high. Well, it is not the same as that what I meant.
    The few playable equipments are ridiculously strong (Jitte, Swords), not to mention the crazy WoTC idea of Livinig Weapons that brought up abominations like Batterskull, Bonehoard and Lashwrithe.
    Sounds like someone needs a little more Hexproof in his daily intake.

    Have we all forgotten about "Blouses" so soon? The rogue deck that shitstormed that one place that one time, featuring such OP cards as Geist of Saint Traft, Troll Ascetic and Unstable Mutation? Hexproof is fixing your Aura problem for you. Not kidding.

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Green Fight Guy
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    Yes, that means GSZ can now tutor up repeatable removal. This is unbelievable sick in Maverick. Combined with Mom, your dude will never lose. Also, again, it's tutorable, repeatable removal in green.

    The closest thing I can come up with is a better contested cliffs that doesn't limit itself to beasts. Fcking amazing. Either kill this guy on sight or watch your entire board die to KotR/Goyf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    Green Fight Guy
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    1G,T: target creature you control fights another target creature.

    Yes, that means GSZ can now tutor up repeatable removal. This is unbelievable sick in Maverick. Combined with Mom, your dude will never lose. Also, again, it's tutorable, repeatable removal in green.

    The closest thing I can come up with is a better contested cliffs that doesn't limit itself to beasts. Fcking amazing. Either kill this guy on sight or watch your entire board die to KotR/Goyf.
    Oh snap, that's a pretty cool duder.

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    The uncounterable land could make tribal Wizards quite strong. Wizards as a creature type give you a lot of the strongest creatures in the format: Vendillion Clique, Delver of Secrets, Grim Lavamancer, Snapcaster Mage, Qasali Pridemage and of course, Dark Confidant. Somehow these are all Wizards. Other decent Wizards are Trinket Mage, Spellstutter Sprite, Patron Wizard, Sower of Temptation, Shadowmage Infiltrator, Meddling Mage, Aven Mindcensor and Mangara of Corondor. Aven Mimeomancer seems decent, too. Surely some combination of colors and cards could make Wizards playable. Actually, with Vendillion Clique, Delver, Lavamancer, Snapcaster and Confidant, Ubr Wizards tempo may replace RUG tempo.

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    Green Fight Guy
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    1G,T: target creature you control fights another target creature.

    Yes, that means GSZ can now tutor up repeatable removal. This is unbelievable sick in Maverick. Combined with Mom, your dude will never lose. Also, again, it's tutorable, repeatable removal in green.

    The closest thing I can come up with is a better contested cliffs that doesn't limit itself to beasts. Fcking amazing. Either kill this guy on sight or watch your entire board die to KotR/Goyf.
    Immediately comparable to Grim Lavamancer, only significantly more dependent on controlling a large dude (or as pointed out, large man + MoR). Honestly, I feel like it's win-more, and I say that because controlling a creature that's so much bigger than your opponent's guys that you can risk Fighting all their creatures and not worry about removal, either damage-based or spot, feels like you're already in a position to be winning.

    Keep in mind that the aforementioned situation with Mother of Runes, KotR and Green Fight Guy is a creature-based, 3-card combo that only deals damage to creatures. I'm not saying it doesn't have the capacity to Do Good Things, but it seems like it's worth pointing out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TsumiBand View Post
    Sounds like someone needs a little more Hexproof in his daily intake.

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    Sorry, not good enough for me. :P :D
    Just being able to use auras savely only on hexproof creatures is quite limiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TsumiBand View Post
    Immediately comparable to Grim Lavamancer, only significantly more dependent on controlling a large dude (or as pointed out, large man + MoR). Honestly, I feel like it's win-more, and I say that because controlling a creature that's so much bigger than your opponent's guys that you can risk Fighting all their creatures and not worry about removal, either damage-based or spot, feels like you're already in a position to be winning.

    Keep in mind that the aforementioned situation with Mother of Runes, KotR and Green Fight Guy is a creature-based, 3-card combo that only deals damage to creatures. I'm not saying it doesn't have the capacity to Do Good Things, but it seems like it's worth pointing out.
    It's also worth pointing out that creature-based matchups tend to be won by either going big or overloading on removal. Green Fight Guy vaguely rewards going big, but he's not really good removal compared to, say, Punishing Fire, which works regardless of your board state. I feel like StP and Fire are better at breaking open mirrors than this guy will be. He's kind of embarrassing as removal vs. an active Jitte (a time where you really want removal, for example), and paying two mana to have your Pridemage pick off little guys one at a time just does not seem good enough. I guess he's a legitimate 1-of if you don't want to splash red, but then again, something like Baneslayer or the green/white hexproof angel (Buttercup is the only name I'm dredging up right now) gives you a trump in the mirror that works regardless of what the rest of your crew looks like.

    The fact that Green Fight Guy is a 1/1 and costs two to activate probably seals the deal. If he was just tap to activate, he'd be much more interesting.

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    3UU
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    Return all non-land permanents to their owner's hand.
    Miracle 1U

    Cool, but probably useless. Tog isn't good anymore, and this doesn't even have the best part of Upheaval. Still, wonder if someone could do something with this...

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by TsumiBand View Post
    Immediately comparable to Grim Lavamancer, only significantly more dependent on controlling a large dude (or as pointed out, large man + MoR). Honestly, I feel like it's win-more, and I say that because controlling a creature that's so much bigger than your opponent's guys that you can risk Fighting all their creatures and not worry about removal, either damage-based or spot, feels like you're already in a position to be winning.

    Keep in mind that the aforementioned situation with Mother of Runes, KotR and Green Fight Guy is a creature-based, 3-card combo that only deals damage to creatures. I'm not saying it doesn't have the capacity to Do Good Things, but it seems like it's worth pointing out.
    This guy could be worth it. His ability to clear out a chump blocker to get your big guys in or to act as ghetto removal seems strong enough to at least include him as a one of to tutor up.
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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Another part of what appears to be an UC cycle of "loner" creatures:

    Cursed Geist 2U
    Creature - Spirit (U)

    Flying
    At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this unless you pay 1 for each other creature you control.

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    So, I'll probably play this is something. Because Sea Drake and Serendib Efreet are cool.

    Really wish that the new miracle Upheaval was an instant too. Then I'd consider it borderline for something.

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    That dude costs 2U and the trigger is 1 for each other creature you control.
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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by heroicraptor View Post
    That dude costs 2U and the trigger is 1 for each other creature you control.
    Ugh, yeah. Copy/paste formatting error. Fixed.

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by RJM View Post
    Oh snap, that's a pretty cool duder.
    This card does not seem to exist.

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Anyone else digging Risky Bet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Anyone else digging Risky Bet?

    1R
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    Discard your hand and then draw 2 cards.
    Kinda wish it was draw 3, but still very good. May find a place in burn to keep things rolling. I like it though.

    AVR feels like the "Let's give Red some cool shit" set haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joven View Post
    Not quite. Equipments are nasty artifacts. They are rarely of colors as Auras usually are. Also most Equipments have an equip cost, which is often way to high. Well, it is not the same as that what I meant.
    The few playable equipments are ridiculously strong (Jitte, Swords), not to mention the crazy WoTC idea of Livinig Weapons that brought up abominations like Batterskull, Bonehoard and Lashwrithe.
    These are cosmetic differences. What you're asking for is basically an equipment subtype for Auras. There are some auras that you can move or return to hand once their attached permanent dies, but if that became a subtype, I would expect there is going to be some cost involved in most of them (remember there are some equipment that cost 0 to equip too, and some that can be re-equipped at instant speed via a separate ability), and limitations over when you can do it, otherwise we'd just have a broken version of equipment, which can't be destroyed by effects that target artifacts. There's no reason that an equipment can't have a colored casting cost, either.

    In general, I think if you're looking to give an aura boon to a permanent, then you should have to take the risk of being 2-for-1'd. If you want a re-usable boon, then look for the ability in an equipment (or fortification, if they ever get around to printing a usable one), and take the risk of artifact hate, the additional equip cost, and the timing restrictions. I think it's good that the two card types maintain some distinction.

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Don't see how this is that good in maverick. It seems like an auto 4 of in goblins. Goblins primary weakness is getting a late game heavy drop ala matron/ringleader/siege gang countered, thus wasting a whole turn. The card makes late game bombers much safer.

    Also does it work with tribal cards like warren weirding? Can I use it to pay cycling for gempalm? I don't think so but it's worth asking. It seems insanely broken when you can power our an uncountable t1 lackey. :)

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    I like that card. 1U is nice for that effect. The problem with speculation though is that we still have no idea just how good deck manipulation will really be with the Miracle cards.
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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    Green Fight Guy
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    1G,T: target creature you control fights another target creature.

    Yes, that means GSZ can now tutor up repeatable removal. This is unbelievable sick in Maverick. Combined with Mom, your dude will never lose. Also, again, it's tutorable, repeatable removal in green.

    The closest thing I can come up with is a better contested cliffs that doesn't limit itself to beasts. Fcking amazing. Either kill this guy on sight or watch your entire board die to KotR/Goyf.
    Seems like a fun thing to do in the middle of combat, perhaps before blockers are declared.

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    I don't know if it's playable, but Devastating Tide (or whatever it's English name will be) is the first card whose effect actually feels something like a miracle.

    If it was an instant, it might even be worth the regular casting cost, for some end-step festivities.

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