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If reanimator is forced to use the GY, it becomes sooooo much easier to hate out. There are a multitude of sideboard cards that can be played in any deck that would make games 2 and 3 more of an uphill battle for the Reanimator player.Originally Posted by Koby
Does it backfire very often? Is casting Emrakul relevant?
Tom? Is that you? I thought you were going to go work on DnD?
My point was not to support or not to support a banning decision.
No. You just kill them on your turn, if they cannot counter your SnT/Dream Halls. They can only fight you with instant speed. If they have a FoW they'd cast it for "free" anyway. What do you mean by "casting Emrakul"? You cannot cast Emrakul off Dream Halls unless there is a Painter's Servant in play. :/
That's my point. You can cast Emrakul off of Omniscience. I understand that you kill them immediately. I just didn't know if giving them the ability to cast spells for free, counterspell, etc... was relevant.
Tom? Is that you? I thought you were going to go work on DnD?
It backfires occasionally, say for example when you get dream halls into play and an opponent uses dream halls to cast a counterspell they didn't have the mana for (to counter your post-dream-halls Conflux). It's relatively rare though, since people playing decks w/ heavy countermagic probably didn't tap out when it was likely you'd try to show and tell or hardcast dream halls, they'd usually rather keep mana up and fight over the dream halls.
The option to cast Emrakul is a little relevant, but honestly, the 4 Progenitus (which we need to power our Conflux chain anyway) are already usually enough to provide a beat down plan if dream halls doesn't work out, and taking up more slots would mean you'd lose either cantrips (making the deck less consistent) or countermagic (which you want to force through your combo). Plus, Progenitus can pitch to FoW and Emrakul can't, which is occasionally relevant.
Short version, I'm not running out to replace my dream halls with the new thing.
OMG Ban Glimpse of Nature. You can never beat a heritege druid. This deck is so broken... It is really elvish visionary against the format... Elves can put an Emrakul or a Regal Force into play vs. Show&Tell and laugh at Griselbrand.
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Well lands won the whole event, so I think Life from the Loam is the problem here.
I mean wizards just gave us a fair Life from the Loam in the form of Land Tax so it is clear what needs to be banned here.
Ban everything! Then all of the cards will be cheaper and reinvigorate Legacy!
Everyone wins!
Everybody take a look at the top 16 SCG Detroit lists.
0 Griselbrands
0 Show and Tells
Ban Griselbrand and Show and Tell?
I'm not arguing for any of those to be banned, but looking at a datum point is pretty silly. Which is what the other people were sarcastically saying. Stop making arguments based on one tournament.
Tom? Is that you? I thought you were going to go work on DnD?
More copies of GSZ than Brainstorm, does this mean that GSZ is too powerful and unfair? By some peoples standards in this thread it would seem so...
Also this is the second Legacy Open in a row without Show&Tell or Griselbrand in the top 8.
People are just scared of it. They are building their sideboard and maindeck to hate out on sneak attack decks.
Thats why the decks that beat those sneak attack decks also didn't top either since they are also getting beaten out early in the round by the eventual top 8 finishers.
Isn't that how the meta game is supposed to work though?
But didn't you read the other thread? Griselbrand is impossible to hate on, he just instantly wins the game...
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Griselbrand and Show and Tell are still a problem. Just because something isn't winning doesn't mean it isn't drastically warping the format. Just the mere existence of Dredge should tell you that. The question is, how many Dredge-like decks can Legacy handle before it's impossible to apply hate for all of them, and is it healthy to let more than one hang over the format at the same time?
Affinity and Lands played in a finals match in the year 2012. ALL arguments about banning Gris are invalid.
It was a Top 8 match, not the finals. But still, it was pretty cool to see.
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