I played something similar way back in the day. I didn't consider cutting all the discard for chant effects. Seems like that might be savage.Originally Posted by Dia_Bot
The list I played was the following:
2 Underground Sea
3 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
2 Tundra
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Marsh Flats
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Dark Ritual
3 Cabal Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
2 Chrome Mox
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Ad Nauseam
3 Orim's Chant
4 Silence
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
3 Gitaxian Probe
2 Preordain
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
SB:
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Echoing Truth
3 Dread of Night
3 Extirpate
4 Xantid Swarm
1 Tropical Island
I was quite happy about the way the list worked out. The one thing I would probably change is adding one more G. Probe to the maindeck in favor of a land but that is pretty much it.
The idea was to have a stable mana base and a decent matchup against both the T1 decks (Maverick/reanimator/RUG..) as well as against the "random" decks. The reason for this is because I didn't have any byes going in the tournament.
My record for day 1 was 7-2 and for day 2 (unfortunately) 1-2 drop. The reason for the bad record day 2 was the fact that I had to play totaly sleep deprived day 2 and made mistakes because of it. (apparently getting any sleep is quite necessary when playing a magic tournament)
Anyway, I played the following matchups day 1:
R1: Blue zoo W (2-0)
R2: Counterbalance W (2-1)
R3: Esper Blade W (2-1)
R4: Omnisience combo L (1-2) lost this one to a topdecked omniscience when I had a certain kill the next turn..
R5: Hive Mind W (2-1)
R6: Esper Blade W (2-0)
R7: Dredge W (2-0)
R8: Reanimator L (1-2)
R9: RUG W (2-0)
Day 2
R10: Maverick W (2-0)
R11: Show and Tell L (0-2) (Guy who made top 8)
R12: Merfolks L 1-2 drop
I should always have won the merfolk matchup but lost due to my own fault...oh..well..
All in all I was very happy with the way the deck worked (certainly considering the matchups day 1) and was quite bummed out to scrub out because of sleep deprivision. Luckily I saw my favourite deck win it all.
If you have any questions about the list, feel free to ask.
Also, why run 2 ad naus and 0 grim tutor? The high # of chant effects basically means IGG is the fucking nuts. I'd be tempted to toss in some tutors.
Even though this list looks awesome, I'm not convinced the white splash is better than the red splash. A much more potent Past in flames would be THE reason to play this deck over TES (atleast in my mind). I'm just not convinced that chants are better than discard, especially with the rise of counterbalance.
Anyways, congrats to making day 2!
The swarms were very good all weekend (this may have something to do with the fact I played almost excusively against blue decks though).
I tested with either 1 and/or 2 Grim tutor but in a list with 7 chants Grim tutor just didn't cut it. The reason is that unlike in the UB list with one or multiple swamps at your disposal in this list you can't really cast Grim tutor proactively and not risk having your lands wastelanded and running behind on mana.
Also the inclusion of G. Tutor do make your Ad Nauseams worse (basicly because apart from the tutors itself you will need more mana so will have to go up to 4 C. Rit etc.).
In essence I would play Grim tutor in a list with basic swamps, less Ad Nauseams and less Chrome mox but in this particular list they just didn't cut it.
That being said IGG is indeed totaly insane with so many chant effects, I won almost all my game on the back of IGG.
I won't argue over which version is the best because there is no right answer imho.
I do play both versions so my choice is based merely on which decks I expect to face.
For those of you who play with 1 (or more) chrome mox, how often do you wish it were something else? The reason I ask is while I have found it beneficial from time to time I'm considering putting a single extirpate in its place and I'm looking for someone to talk me into, or out of it.
Downside to the swap is mostly limited to casting AdN with no mana floating, and possibly having no worthwhile targets to extract.
The upside is extirpate is great with all our discard in plenty of situations including everything blue and all grave decks, plus its just one more way to peak and frees up a spot in the board.
I currently have a chrome mox in my build which sometimes I switch out for a second island. I have been really happy with it lately, as it has basically acts like a second land drop for a turn or makes my ad nausem's consistency a little better. I think the biggest thing chrome mox does is helps you get naturally hellbent, I always seem to have that one awkward card in my hand I can't cast.
I guess the way I see it, IMHO, in game one you need to be as efficient as possible. The chrome mox will almost always help while the extirpate is a "win more" that doesn't you get there most of the time.
I got 9th at the latest SCG (I suck at tie-breaker math apparently).
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Not going to write a full tourney report, but I played against 1x Reanimator, 3x Rug, 1x Maverick, 1x Elves, 1x Burn, with my loss coming to one of the RUG players.
My SB probably looks a little weird -- against any deck I'm racing (usually Burn, Elves, Zoo, other combo, and some non-blue decks), I typically board out 3x Lands and a Grim Tutor for 3x Chrome Mox and an Ad Nauseam, which makes Ad Naus w/ 0 floating fairly reliable (the way my maindeck is configured, it's pretty much suicide). The maindeck is configured to beat the blue decks, so I run a lot of lands to play around Spell Pierces and Dazes and such. I have playtested Burning Wish quite a bit, and I haven't been a huge fan (I always find it hard to cast) -- this could be my playstyle, though, as I play this deck very control-ly, and I think you need to be much more aggressive if you're playing w/ burning wish.
Also, worth mentioning, my maindeck against Maverick is actually fairly weak (probably 40-45% if I'm on the draw), but after sideboard it becomes very hard to lose. I have tried Dread of Night, and I don't really like it...they usually have enough time to GSZ for a Teeg, and then you need to stick two of them before they Qasali Pridemage one, which is easier said than done.
Ya your right it was a bad idea and I missed the mox in testing more than I thought I would.I guess the way I see it, IMHO, in game one you need to be as efficient as possible. The chrome mox will almost always help while the extirpate is a "win more" that doesn't you get there most of the time.
Congrats thats a good showing man. I personally like BW (much more now with EtW main) but I dont own grims anyway so the choice is easy. I like the double clasms in your board how did they perform?I got 9th at the latest SCG (I suck at tie-breaker math apparently).
Fair enough on dread of night because obviously your answers worked well enough for you at SCG. My problem with alternatives to DoN is that t1 mom into anything is such a pain in the ass and can quickly get out of control meaning I need multiple answers in hand anyway at which point I just prefer DoN, but maybe im doing it wrong idk. Anyway nice showing.
Congrats. It's nice to see two ANT decks in the top sixteen.I got 9th at the latest SCG (I suck at tie-breaker math apparently).
Does any one know if there was any storm video taken at SCG KC? I missed watching on Sunday.
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I was a fake feature match from rounds 4-7 I think, I was never on camera. I don't think the other guy who was at the top tables on storm was either.
As far as Pyroclasm -- I think the card is another strike against Dread of Night. With Pyroclasm, you get a card that is very good against Elves, Merfolk, Goblins, and Maverick. With Dread of Night, you get a card that is good against Maverick and that is really it.
It can be awkward if they have Mother of Runes out, as that will require Pyroclasm + another spell to get rid of a hate bear, so it can't be your only SB card vs Maverick. I've tried Infest, Massacre, and various removal spells (Lightning Bolt, Slaughter Pact, etc) in those slots, and I don't think I would ever go below 2 Pyroclasms.
Hey man, the value high-five. Tried. 9th sucks
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I was the other ad nauseam player that got 14th. Lost my win and in against counterbalance miracles. Also lost to dredge because extirpate wasn't surgical extraction and myself making subtle misplays. I had zero feature matches, something I'm just sighing at. Like, really? Apparently you have to X-0 forever to get a feature match as my last round opponent got feature matches 5 times the entire day or something like that. I often sat next to people who had feature matches, leaving me plenty of space for my dice and other such things due to no one sitting next to me ever since I was at the top tables almost the entire day. Sad to hear about your I.D. going badly, especially when you could have easily beat the lands player who carpooled with me down to Kansas City. Overall loved the deck, might have to get rid of the extirpates in my board though as they weren't doing anything almost the entire day.
My report for those interested
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...214#post665214
Also met Random Gestures/Kirby there, which was nice. Still disappointing to see him on the canadian thresh plan though. I feel that if you run hot with storm it is very hard to lose, as you are running the most powerful deck in the format if you sleeve up storm combo in any number of iterations. I felt that UBr ANT was the right call for the event overall. Wastelands were there in high numbers and basics > wasteland for obvious reasons. I think I was wastelanded no more than 3 times over the entire day. Also ran the list at a local the week before and it felt incredibly powerful to me, at least it ran better than Bahamuth's TES list, which was rather unkind to me and it lacked basic lands and had the problem of 3 chrome mox, a card which I have historically hated with a passion typically as 2 for 1'ing yourself for +1 highly conditional type of mana is usually bad.
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Yeah...after I got a closer look at the standings, we were both retarded for drawing -- there were like 4 other tables of X-1s. When I looked at it in the crowd, I thought it said we were 4/5 with 6 x-1 below us. Oh well, shit happens...learned my lesson though, if I'm not 100% sure, I just need to play it out to be sure.
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Too bad you didn't get a feature match, I'm still waiting for the day to see a competent AnT player get a feature match..(a lot of the plays on SCGlive feature matches make me die a little inside
Anyway, on the topic of the extirpates: I don't know if you it's such a good choice to cut them from your sideboard .
The way I see it you want some slots on Reanimator/dredge and the best way to do both of them is by playing extirpate. T Crypt/Surgical and G. Cage might be better against dredge but lack power against reanimator due to not being uncounterable. F Macabre is anothother option but is just not good enough against dredge.
Another option might be to cut one dread of night for one extra anti graveyard slot. I have recently cut one dread of night from my list (I am playing almost exactly the same list as you with the only difference being one more IoK) and so far didn't have any trouble against maverick with 3 DoN as apposed to the full playset.
Just my 2 cents.
PS: Nevertheless gj on the result, too bad you didn't made it to the top 8.
1, how could you ever ID with a Lands Player? (to meet him in top8 obv., ok but still sounds awful)
2, I like your list
:) I didn't know he was on lands, but I probably would have IDed even if I had. As I said before, I misread the standings and thought I was a lock for top 8 with a draw, and there's no real reason to play a match (even a 95% matchup) and risk not top 8-ing.
Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and I'm an idiot.
You do know that if you are high on the standings you get to go first each game on t8, right? Locally theres less IDs now because people want this advantage.
At most of the SCG events, it's a split top 8, so that's more or less irrelevant (it is cool to take down the tournament and all, but not as cool as the $750 you get for splitting top 8).
I can see that being the case with smaller local tournaments where prize support is not as good but when you have these 8-9 round exhausting legacy events were you are locked for a decent prize if you top eight I think ID'ing is the way to go. That extra hour to get some food and take a break is huge.
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