All B/R update speculation.

[Bignasty197]

You've never lived the dream until you go:
turn 1 mana dork
Turn 2 LED, Survival, activate SotF discarding Vengevine & Rootwalla, pop LED in resp, VV, VV, VV, Kobolds - attack for 16 turn 2.

BIZNATCCCHHH

Aww...Survival, why do you hurt so good?

On a real note, I'm pretty sure I've only seen that play once ever. I usually died the next turn.

[Dark Ritual]

Aww...Survival, why do you hurt so good?

On a real note, I'm pretty sure I've only seen that play once ever. I usually died the next turn.

Oh darn you can slow down one turn. Attacking for 16 on turn 4 is broken, end of story. And good luck trying to interact with it, as once survival resolves the game is over. Oh so you have surgical boarded in? Great, I'll hardcast a 4/3 haste and beat you down with it and whenever I draw an irrelevant creature I'll get another 4/3 haste and beat you down with that one too. The argument against survival isn't that it's a busted combo enabler. It's because survival as a deck can switch roles VERY easily, making it ridiculously hard to hate out. Extirpate VV's? Okay I'll hardcast a bunch of KotR's and beat you with that instead.

High tide doesn't come close to beating show and tell. Show and tell combo's on turn's 2-3. High tide is turn 4 and beyond, turn 3 with a really good hand that you're not likely to draw in 2 out of 3 games. As for storm combo against SnT storm combo can win. However SnT can also just win out of nowhere with a turn 2 griselbrand on the play as storm combo cannot beat a turn 2 griselbrand typically. Both decks have fundamental turn 3's. If SnT wins the die roll I would definitely say it's favored though. The difference between the two decks is that storm isn't a one card combo while SnT is a 1 card combo typically as when does an SnT player not have one of 8 targets in their hand on turn 2? Also, ad nauseam and past in flames cost more than 5+ mana while SnT costs 3 mana so going island, EoT brainstorm, sol land, SnT griselbrand isn't out of the question.

Please don't argue that we should ban griselbrand in legacy because it's banned in EDH. That has to be the worst comparison ever, as EDH is a timmy oriented format where people like to goldfish all day long and where cards like primeval titan and panoptic mirror are banned. You know what isn't banned in EDH? Yawgmoth's will. So I guess we should legalize that in legacy right? Same with necropotence right?

[rxavage]

The B&R list update is at midnight correct?

[Leftconsin]

Midnight eastern.

[sdematt]

I'm hoping no changes, I want to see what R2R has to offer. If they ban something silly like Terminus, I might have to cry a little inside.

-Matt

[alekill]

So land tax did a whole lot of nothing as expected. Do we want earthcraft black vise or mind twist next?

[Greenpoe]

I could see Mind Twist being played in BUG control. Drop a Deed, they don't want to over extend. If they don't overextend, you Mind Twist them. Maybe Black Vise in Turbofog.

[Bignasty197]

In all honesty, I hope they ban either Show and Tell or Emrakul so I don't have to use up 7 SB slots in Painter anymore. Or maindeck a Tormod's Crypt.

EDIT: And fuck Delver, too.

[Blitzbold]

Nothing changed.

[sdematt]

So, what's the (Gerrard's) verdict? Who was betting on this? More Burning Wish seems interesting in Vintage. In all honesty, I forgot it was restricted.

-Matt

[whienot]

Nothing changed.

Not completely. There was a change relevant to legacy:

Going forward, Banned and Restricted updates will by synchronized with set releases. For each set, starting with Gatecrash, the announcement will be the Monday after the Prerelease, and the effective date will be the same as the release date of the set.

Prepare yourselves for when everyone asks when the next B&R update is.


Also, not insignificant changes to the tournament rules:

[For Competitive+ REL only] You now need to announce *all* your triggers.

In the past, there was a subclass of triggers (“No Visual Effect”) that did not require announcing because they didn’t have an impact on the visual state of the board or require choices. Think Goldnight Commander or Kruin Striker. However, with the simplifying of the trigger rules, those now have to be announced.

Simplified Trigger Rules: You cannot “forget” your triggers. Your opponent is not required to remind you. If your opponent misses a trigger and you want it to happen, call a judge (and you’ll get to make happen if it’s still within a turn). If you miss your trigger unintentionally and the opponent doesn’t want it to happen, it won’t happen.
You must be present and playing at a tournament to receive Planeswalker Points. No having a friend register you just to get the points!
Video replay will not be used in making rulings. It may be used for investigations later.

[lordofthepit]

Valakut got unbanned in Modern. I wouldn't give a shit about that format, except it seems to affect prices more than it should given the fact that it has very little support at the LGS level. Since I may want to build Scapeshift Nic Fit at some point, I went ahead and grabbed a playset.

It probably won't shoot up too much since it's from such a recent set, but I never underestimate "full retard" when it comes to Modern.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

See my signature.

[rxavage]

Odd how Burning Wish just saw that price spike.

[sdematt]

Where did it spike? SCG?

-Matt

[rxavage]

Where did it spike? SCG?

-Matt

Didn't it go from 5 to 15 in the past few weeks? It could be from Omni-Trll or someone with prior knowledge making a run.

[lordofthepit]

Odd how Burning Wish just saw that price spike.

It's been sitting at $15-20 according to the Market Street Cafe at Salvation for the last week. Has it jumped further?

[Jenni]

A bit disappointed, really, was hoping for earthcraft to come back. Would be nice to play a legacy event at a local store with squirrel-combo, if for no other reason than because it's cute.
Also wouldn't have been sad to see show and tell go, in all honesty, but I'm not too disappointed to have it stay either.

[rxavage]

The new B&R announcement policy

"Going forward, Banned and Restricted updates will by synchronized with set releases. For each set, starting with Gatecrash, the announcement will be the Monday after the Prerelease, and the effective date will be the same as the release date of the set."

[lavafrogg]

I was hoping they were still on the unban a card that will see no play in legacy train, it at least made things very interesting as people scrambled to "break" land tax after years of saying the card was not any good. There are still a few cards on the list that will make little to no impact on legacy. At the least, survival, earthcraft, mind twist and minds desire would do very litte(except make survival a deck again) with all of the hate that now exists(RiP kills any survival hijinks cold)