[DTB] Sneak Attack

[Ummmyeh13]

Yeah I played game 1 badly against Todd. Played the numbers on him not having one of 3 FoW when I didnt need to. Its a good match up imo.

[blindspotxxx]

You did pretty well lol That disenchant was unexpected! You casted that Sneak Attack with Counter Back up it's just that he drew that 1 pc Disenchant for the blow out. How do you find the Spirit Guides? I've been itching to try them but my mind is telling me not to lol

[TerribleTim68]

So let me get this straight, you guys are saying that Not of this World CAN counter the delayed sac trigger from Sneak Attack the same way Stifle can?

[Koby]

So let me get this straight, you guys are saying that Not of this World CAN counter the delayed sac trigger from Sneak Attack the same way Stifle can?

No, it cannot do so. The delayed sac trigger is not targeting the creature. It instructs the creature's controller to sacrifice that creature. No targeting occurs.

[TerribleTim68]

That's what I thought. So I'll stick with Stifle then.

[Genericcactus]

That's what I thought. So I'll stick with Stifle then.

I've found Stifle to be considerably worse than Not of This World. The only relevant thing it counters that Not of This World does not is the -2 ability on Liliana of the Veil, and the only matchup where I would want to bring in Stifle which also features Liliana is some versions of Dark Maverick. Stifling the delayed trigger on Sneak Attack is about as win-more as it gets. Not of This World being free is a real big deal. Having to wait a turn so that you have the mana open to Stifle something they may or may not have when you cast Show and Tell is loose and will result in far more losses than the marginal benefits brought by Stifle does wins.

[Patrunkenphat7]

This deck feels like the best deck in the format. I don't play it because of its inconsistency, but it "inconsistently" has a good matchup against EVERYTHING. I can't decide if Blade in the hands of a master is even as good as Show and Tell in hands of someone playing in their first Legacy tournament. Honestly the deck feels more powerful and streamlined than Survival. What I can't understand is why Survival became so dominant, yet this deck still isn't breaking through as "ban-able."

[aljiichiban]

This deck feels like the best deck in the format. I don't play it because of its inconsistency, but it "inconsistently" has a good matchup against EVERYTHING. I can't decide if Blade in the hands of a master is even as good as Show and Tell in hands of someone playing in their first Legacy tournament. Honestly the deck feels more powerful and streamlined than Survival. What I can't understand is why Survival became so dominant, yet this deck still isn't breaking through as "ban-able."

I think it's better that way, so that others would stop complaining and suggest that SNT/griselbrand should be banned.

[blindspotxxx]

This deck feels like the best deck in the format. I don't play it because of its inconsistency, but it "inconsistently" has a good matchup against EVERYTHING. I can't decide if Blade in the hands of a master is even as good as Show and Tell in hands of someone playing in their first Legacy tournament. Honestly the deck feels more powerful and streamlined than Survival. What I can't understand is why Survival became so dominant, yet this deck still isn't breaking through as "ban-able."

Show and Tell lets your opponent play a card (Oblivion Ring, Karakas, Knight of the Reliquary, Fiend Hunter, Mangara... etc..). Survival was just broken because it only benefitted you. Show and Tell is easily hated out if the metagame wants to. It's the fault of all the Grindy Fair Decks and the meta preparing for those match ups that let Sneak Show slip in the radar. Survival is a one card combo!

I've found Stifle to be considerably worse than Not of This World. The only relevant thing it counters that Not of This World does not is the -2 ability on Liliana of the Veil, and the only matchup where I would want to bring in Stifle which also features Liliana is some versions of Dark Maverick. Stifling the delayed trigger on Sneak Attack is about as win-more as it gets. Not of This World being free is a real big deal. Having to wait a turn so that you have the mana open to Stifle something they may or may not have when you cast Show and Tell is loose and will result in far more losses than the marginal benefits brought by Stifle does wins.

I agree with this, Stifle requires another Land Drop and there are so many things to consider. Possibly you might not even get that extra land drop due to lack of lands that you draw, Wastelands, Extra attack phase for your opponent. And Not of this World is cool! :P

[Patrunkenphat7]

Show and Tell lets your opponent play a card (Oblivion Ring, Karakas, Knight of the Reliquary, Fiend Hunter, Mangara... etc..). Survival was just broken because it only benefitted you. Show and Tell is easily hated out if the metagame wants to. It's the fault of all the Grindy Fair Decks and the meta preparing for those match ups that let Sneak Show slip in the radar. Survival is a one card combo!



I agree with this, Stifle requires another Land Drop and there are so many things to consider. Possibly you might not even get that extra land drop due to lack of lands that you draw, Wastelands, Extra attack phase for your opponent. And Not of this World is cool! :P

None of those "answers" to the actual card Show and Tell really do anything about Griselbrand, which is why this deck has been so good since it was printed. Yes, Show and Tell used to be easily disruptable before Griselbrand. I don't know how you can easily hate out the deck other than playing something that has super disruption and skewed matchups like BUG Delver. Also Survival is a lot more complicated than being a "one card combo," but this isn't really the place to debate that.

[blindspotxxx]

No longer DTB :(

I just have to say that I hate the DNT Matchup! lol Haven't played against it much and the match up is exhausting which costed me a 15th place finish instead of top 8 for 4 Jaces as the top prize.

How does Sneak and Show compare to Omni-Maniac?

[apple713]

No longer DTB :(

I just have to say that I hate the DNT Matchup! lol Haven't played against it much and the match up is exhausting which costed me a 15th place finish instead of top 8 for 4 Jaces as the top prize.

How does Sneak and Show compare to Omni-Maniac?

Like 70-30 sneaks favor.

How does a deck get kicked out of DTB? This def shouldn't have happened

[pavlaugh]

How does a deck get kicked out of DTB? This def shouldn't have happened

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...Deck-Selection

So how are decks selected for the DTBF?

Rather than relying on arbitrary selection or decision-making based on conjecture which can be tainted by personal bias, decks are selected for the DTBF based on their performance at recent, large, competitive Legacy tournaments. Decks which make up a very large portion of the metagame are considered DTB's. Decks which are less prevalent but appear multiple times are considered DTW's. Archetypes which appear multiple times are considered ATW's.

The data used for selection is based upon Top 8's from the most recent Legacy tournaments with 33 or more players. European, Japanese, and other non-American tournament data is included in this process, because there is a thriving, well-developed Legacy community in places other than America, and their results are relevant.

For the sake of currency and relevance, the DTBF contents will be revised on the first of every month. The data from the most recent ten tournaments will replace the previous data.


What makes a DTB?

A Deck to Beat is a deck which has at least 6.25% placements over the total Top 8 slots at 33+ person tournaments in the last month's tournaments (or the last ten tournaments, whichever is greater).

[apple713]

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...Deck-Selection

this is the greatest link i've ever seen....why have I not known about this?

[Darksteel]

Any tips on playing the mirror match? Or Omnihalls?

[apple713]

Any tips on playing the mirror match? Or Omnihalls?

@ the mirror, dont cast S&T... all roads are bad for you unless you S&T a sneak attack and win that same turn. Sneak attack is your best card. Board in Through the breach and boseiju take out S&T.

@omni play defense, if you cast S&T be able to win that turn. Always choose griselbrand when they cast S&T so you can draw counterspells because they still need to cast ETI or wish and have it resolve.

otherwise you are favored like 70-30 just because you have so many more counterspells and if they play dream halls you can just laugh at them and say thanks. really its strange because you are able to take advantage of the spells they cast more than they can. Griselbrand is important for the MU tho cause you'll draw more counters than they have spells to resolve.

you can board in through the breach in this MU too. Boseiju is optional cause they dont have many counterspells anyways.

[pavlaugh]

Any tips on playing the mirror match? Or Omnihalls?

In addition to what Apple said, it's a good idea to play the long game. S D Top is very good to help you not miss land drops. I also board vendillion clique in this matchup.

[apple713]

In addition to what Apple said, it's a good idea to play the long game. S D Top is very good to help you not miss land drops. I also board vendillion clique in this matchup.

yes, i took out the typical preordain and use a SDT for this reason. I also added 2 vendilion cliques in the board. I think my list is posted a couple pages back.

[blindspotxxx]

Don't forget to board in your Pyroblasts of course :) I've won so many games with Boseiju in the mirror as well.

The above advice are the key to winning. You should pretty much take your time on those match ups, the good thing is the mirrors and Omni-Maniac match ups aren't stressful as compared to playing other decks with mirrors.

I've pretty much beaten an Omni-tell player with him hitting me with 2 Thoughtseizes and having nothing but lands only to Ponder into a Griselbrand the turn before the casts his Show and Tell :)

[Darksteel]

Cool, thanks for the tips, guys. I have tried Top before and I do like it, so I guess I'll replace the miser's Preordain I have with one. It does make Misdirection and Force slightly worse, but I think the utility of Top outweighs that, especially if there's a lot of discard at SCG Philly.

Here's my current list. It's Chas Hinkle's from SCG Baltimore, but now with the Top instead of the Preordain

4 Show and Tell
4 Sneak Attack
4 Griselbrand
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
2 Intuition
1 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Force of Will
3 Spell Pierce
2 Misdirection

4 Lotus Petal
1 Simian Spirit Guide

3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Volcanic Island
3 Island
1 Mountain

The Simian Spirit Guide has been pretty sweet as a mana source that isn't impeded by Thalia, not to mention a chump blocker in a pinch or a creature needed for the final damage after an Emrakul swing. I was even considering going 3 Petal and 2 Spirit Guide.

As for my board, here's what I have so far:

4 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Pyroclasm
2 Echoing Truth
2 Blood Moon
2 Through the Breach
1 Karakas

I was thinking of adding another Pyroclasm. It seems so good against the Deathblade and Death and Taxes decks. The issue is that I'm not sure what to cut for it.