I think some of these things are really shitty. Not Magic is over shitty, but quite shitty. Nobody liked the new slivers, flip cards would be awful if more than one was playable, and the reserved list puts a hard cap on how many people can play eternal formats without proxies. I personally also think that mythic rarity is bullshit, they said that they wouldn't just print all the best cards as mythic, but then that was exactly what happened. I still miss damage on the stack.Originally Posted by TeenieBopper
But yeah, this new frame is no big deal.
Yeah I was wondering how many posts would have to appear before someone drug out the old 'boooo white knighting booooo' nonsense.
For what it's worth, I personally try to pick my rants regarding the above "misogynistic etc" remarks, but yeah, it's all garbage and doesn't lead to productive discussion. Decks don't "rape" each other, calling "dibs" on Sourcer's newborn baby girls is fucked up and making 'tee-hee ur retard' comments when someone wants to make an oblique comment on the obsessive nature of some people's attention to detail belies their intelligence and presumably your own.
I don't rail on everything because invariably people would rather quash the conversation before it begins by trolling, accusing people of white-knighting, or otherwise just drowning the conversation out. But honestly, the language that is used to describe the ideas, individuals, and events within the gaming community is a goddamned blight on those that participate.
I don't buy into the "thick skin" arguments or the "political over-correctness" garbage for a single minute - I would instead submit that any group of individuals large enough to be labeled and identified would do well to have self-control and introspection enough to try and catch themselves in the act of invoking base and derogatory language that keeps people out or makes others seem entirely unwelcome, or takes easy jabs and people and ideas on the basis of perceived mental health, sexuality, race, any of that.
Go ahead and let me know how I'm some kind of idealist moron for expecting people to communicate in ways that don't involve invoking the Autism spectrum or women or some other common horse shit thing that gets thrown around. I've heard it all and I still don't care. We're talking about Magic cards and people are copy-pasting from Cliff Notes: DSM-IV in order to invoke logical fallacies against people's arguments. Maybe that's the frustrating part; instead of making a meaningful contribution to a thread, some people just poop on the thread by interjecting the "Aw not THIS shit again" sentiment while sounding racist/sexist/bigoted/take your pick. There's no effort or intellect involved in the process, at all. I don't think the whole approach here is to go, "Oh toughen up, people talk shit, whatcha gonna do about it" - there's something to be gained from turning around and telling an individual/the community that it really is unacceptable, and next time you might strive for some relevance or cogent discussion.
It seems like no one in this thread so far (unless i missed it, in which, my mistake) has even mentioned the biggest reason why they made the bottom black with all the collector information.
The intention was to make the bottom of the card be machine readable, and have all the information necessary to tell what card it is, and what language. You can argue that they implementation of this they did isn't the best possible aesthetic choice, but that's something you can always argue, and is completely subjective.
However, as a concept, i think the idea of having the machine readable information there is a REALLY good one. It benefits wizards, stores, and players alike in a relatively future-proof way. Wizards can now be able to quickly scan cards to verify that their production methods are accurate, and nix issues with extra rares getting placed into boosters, or other such mishaps. Stores can now come up with new methods to easily manage their inventory. Players can now use the machine readable corner to do all sorts of things, such as creating phone apps that you can scan the corner of the card as if it were a QR code, and pull up information on pricing or whatever you want. It leaves room for lots of opportunity on the parts of all parties.
"Maybe a long life does have to be filled with many unpleasant conditions if it's to seem long. But in the event, who wants one?"
"I do," Dunbar told him.
"Why?" Clevinger asked.
"What else is there?"
Ok, so when Source is full of "blatantly misogynist, homophobic, and otherwise bigoted remarks", lets make other " immature and potentially inflammatory" post. I see that there's a lot that I need to learn...
Oh wait! Isn't this the forum where rape jokes are found funny? Clever guys, indeed. You definitely should continue asking why MtG players are scorned upon. If the only possibility how to discuss anything on this board is to throw "shut up, don't be butthurt" at each other, I'm fine with it, just don't expect me to join such a discussion.
I'm not white-knighting anyone, if your remark was directed at me. I simply find your "joke" stupid and unnecessary (I also find Teeniebopper's remarks stupid and unnecessary, but what would you expect from The Source Asshole?), so I'm letting you know that. Do whatever you want to do with this info.
EDIT: ^^ Tsumi got it.
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I already wrote my reasons why I dislike this change: it brings further and unnecessary fragmentation to the game for absolutely no good reason, the new card is clustered with unneeded information, it's a change for the change. Instead of dicking around with this, WotC should rather start massive reprints on non-RL old-frame cards so that they're available in new frame.
Speaking of the change and the human nature that fears it: I admit that I like the old frame the most, simply for nostalgia reasons and also because IMAO it was more appropriated to fantasy/s&s than the new frame which seems to me more like a scifi/horror. (Maybe this is due to the illustrations, as where there were Shivan Dragons, now there are Macabre Waltzes and other fugly crap.) Otoh, I like how the Modern frame made the cards sorted, how they are clear, and except for the Mirrodin and the trouble with white/artifacts, there's nothing I'd really dislike. But, do you know which frame I like the most? Future Sight future-shifted one it is.I find it amazing, and I'd love if WotC decide to use it, although it's completely different than all the others. For the price of future-shifted frame I'd welcome the further fragmentation. For the price of M15 frame? Not exactly...
I saw that as well. That is a fairly interesting interaction that does have some interesting potential.
Of course the first thing I envisioned was some ill-advised app like that weird card scanner for the GBA that like… loaded a weird game if you swiped your card? Don't quite remember what that thing was or if it even caught on enough for anyone to know what I'm talking about. I only saw the cards at like Target one time, I have no idea if it ever became 'a thing'.
The E-Reader! I had one and it was awesome, but never more than an a odd diversion. The new border happens to reminds me of the E-reader Pokemon cards, not as extreme but still.
The design does seem to lack certain artistic aesthetics, and the old borders will always be my favorite. Like others have said, the holograms should be either in the set symbol or a throwback to the foil star, and I still think the language identifier is redundant. It's not going to stop me from buying cards, but it's not like I was buying packs to begin with. So a big "meh" from me.
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Hmm ... fair enough ... I suppose I just need to take a step back and realize that it wasn't directed to me at all.
Sorry, for getting all up in arms.
ONLY four pages of discussions to bitch about new card frame? C'mon guys, you can do better than that. Way to drop the ball.
It would have been nice for them to create a Future Sight or more radical design, but the incremental change suggests that it's a anti-counterfeiting measure more than anything else. From more than 10 feet away you can't tell the difference, anyway.
I think the time is right to create overlay card sleeves that cosmetically change cards - make 'em for old/modern cards. Could be fun to add customization to casual play, and on the front side you couldn't really cheat off it anyways. Kind of like "alterations for the masses."
Clearly people are passionate enough about (1) being unique and (2) stating a preference for card templates.
A book about the dark side of Legacy: "Magic: The Addiction" // Conversations with Magic players: "Humans of Magic"
Wouldn't making sleeves with front overlays that are specifically magic related be a terrible idea for any sleeve making company? It would mean they'd be useless for any card game that shares the same card size but isn't magic, and be useless for any deck that has a large number of different card frames. Like team America with future sight border tombstalkers, new border abrupt decays, and old border cards would probably be too wonky of a combination for those sleeves to be used. Or if you only wanted to sleeve some cards of the deck with them, then you run the possibility of the sleeves being different thicknesses, etc. The company would sell very few of a product like that, which seems like a bad place to be when it would probably cost more to produce sleeves with designs instead of clear plastic in the first place.ONLY four pages of discussions to bitch about new card frame? C'mon guys, you can do better than that. Way to drop the ball.
It would have been nice for them to create a Future Sight or more radical design, but the incremental change suggests that it's a anti-counterfeiting measure more than anything else. From more than 10 feet away you can't tell the difference, anyway.
I think the time is right to create overlay card sleeves that cosmetically change cards - make 'em for old/modern cards. Could be fun to add customization to casual play, and on the front side you couldn't really cheat off it anyways. Kind of like "alterations for the masses."
Clearly people are passionate enough about (1) being unique and (2) stating a preference for card templates.
"Maybe a long life does have to be filled with many unpleasant conditions if it's to seem long. But in the event, who wants one?"
"I do," Dunbar told him.
"Why?" Clevinger asked.
"What else is there?"
Haha...that's why I'm not a businessman and I give crappy ideas away for free
Back (slightly) on topic though, I wish they could make the foils or chase cards cooler in Magic - and no I don't mean FTV foiling process. We have these re-designed frames, but bring out something more exciting that players will want to open packs for.
I guess folded $100 bills will cause too many complaints for how it's folded, and will result in too much violence in drafts.
A book about the dark side of Legacy: "Magic: The Addiction" // Conversations with Magic players: "Humans of Magic"
<Tin-foil hat>
What if the reason they didn't do away with the Reserved List before was that they didn't have solid anti-counterfeiting measures in place?
Think about it - they don't want to flood the market with newer versions of highly collectible cards, which by all accounts are much easier to forge than old ones, because they can't control the circulation with forgery so rampant. But now, they have a way to guarantee the authenticity of their cards with holographic stamps and a proprietary font, so the possibilities are endless!
Ladies and gentlemen, this may be a step towards the abolition of the Reserved List and authenticated reprints of older cards in non-premium form.
</tin-foil hat>
Wow! If this could be true!
Well, at least I wasn't the first one to say it.
They even briefly alluded to the Reserve List "because Modern Masters is totally just like Chronicles" in the mothership article about why these changes came about. I didn't see what that had to do with anything apart from begging the question, so I tried not to think about it.
Enter the endless cascades of sentence parsing -- ooh, what does it mean, 'forbidding ourselves'?? It must mean that one day, maybe not today maybe not tomorrow… urp urp urp
I just read the article. What a blather. MaRo would be a great politician or insurance agent, his ability to sell and promote crap is outstanding.I think some of these things are really shitty. Not Magic is over shitty, but quite shitty. Nobody liked the new slivers, flip cards would be awful if more than one was playable, and the reserved list puts a hard cap on how many people can play eternal formats without proxies. I personally also think that mythic rarity is bullshit, they said that they wouldn't just print all the best cards as mythic, but then that was exactly what happened. I still miss damage on the stack.
But yeah, this new frame is no big deal.
Really good counterfeiting already exists. They're trying to protect their intellectual property and make it easier for players to identify real cards.
If you go online right now, you can buy stuff like this from China:
Yes, the text on Tarmogoyf looks fucked, but that Liliana looks pretty damn good, no?
From the same website:
It's Bed Decks Palyer's wet dream come true!
I like the idea that they want to make sure future cards are more safe from counterfeiting but why this holo think has to be in a card text space? Also why this color frame can't curve to the point where the card text space ends?
The idea behind these changes are sound and reasonable. The execution and implementation of these changes seem hamfisted and clunky. Very inelegant redesign of the card frame.
I agree. If they wanted to add a foil thing to make counterfeiting difficult, why not just make the little set symbol foil? It'd be a whole lot less invasive and possibly even nice to look at. Overall, I suppose it doesn't matter... just clunky.
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