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[Lord Seth]

That's a rather elitest view of the financial barrier to Legacy. All of us were "scrubs" at some point in time. If new players can't find their way into Legacy, the format cannot grow. Intentionally "discouraging" new players from joining Legacy, even if their skill level is beneath the experienced Legacy grinders, doesn't make much sense. What happens when those grinders stop playing? Where does the format go from there?

Erm, that was kind of the point I was trying to make.

[Malakai]

Why would anyone want to discourage bad players? Bad players don't drive away good players, but I can see it going the other way. It has to get old losing to the same players each week.

[apple713]

But as I've stated before, it isn't the $10 that Joe Blow spends on a burger with his buddies that's keeping him from Legacy, it's the $1,000+ in rent and utilities that he has to shell out every month. How you, someone who does not bear the financial burden of most adults, can tell people to "save money by not eating out" is beyond me.

You would be surprised how much eating out adds up.

If you stop eating out and drinking alcohol all together you could provably buy a beta dual every month

Btw this is a good conversation in the wrong thread....

[r3dd09]

But as I've stated before, it isn't the $10 that Joe Blow spends on a burger with his buddies that's keeping him from Legacy, it's the $1,000+ in rent and utilities that he has to shell out every month. How you, someone who does not bear the financial burden of most adults, can tell people to "save money by not eating out" is beyond me.

It's the $10 burger that he/she eats,the beer he/she drinks, the cigs he/she smokes + what ever else is unneeded that he/she spends money on. This is also a daily thing I mind you. I have friends that do this, that's why I bring it up.

While yes, the occasional night out isn't bad, but when in excess, we know that's trouble.

I have a car payment, car insurance, I pay for majority of my food as my diet isn't a cheap one, I chip in for utilities, I also pay some money towards the house payment (rent). I've paid for college where a grant didn't cover. Please, continue to tell me I'm circumventing the financial burden of being an adult. Me moving out wouldn't change much. I might pay 150-200 more a month. Which I already do pay for religious reasons. So I say I'm not much different from every other adult, financially speaking. But I'm sure you'll find a way for me to not qualify.

I'm not upset with you or anything, I want that to be clear.

[Arsenal]

It's the $10 burger that he/she eats,the beer he/she drinks, the cigs he/she smokes + what ever else is unneeded that he/she spends money on. This is also a daily thing I mind you. I have friends that do this, that's why I bring it up.

While yes, the occasional night out isn't bad, but when in excess, we know that's trouble.

I have a car payment, car insurance, I pay for majority of my food as my diet isn't a cheap one, I chip in for utilities, I also pay some money towards the house payment (rent). I've paid for college where a grant didn't cover. Please, continue to tell me I'm circumventing the financial burden of being an adult. Me moving out wouldn't change much. I might pay 150-200 more a month. Which I already do pay for religious reasons. So I say I'm not much different from every other adult, financially speaking. But I'm sure you'll find a way for me to not qualify.

Right... so when you're bragging in the "Legacy Pimp Card" thread that you buy $400 Vintage staples like Workshops (not even to play with as you said you have no Vintage scene in your area) simply because you can, referencing the fact that you have a semi-decent job and live at home, that really is roughing it out in adultland. Poor baby.

"Chipping in" for rent and utilities isn't the same as paying for 100% of them. If the mortgage is $1,000 and utilities come to another $400, that's $1,400 that an adult is solely responsible for. Even if you pay 50% of that (doubtful), you still are $700 ahead of everyone else who doesn't live at home. So again, it isn't the $10 burger that is keeping people away, it's the fact that they don't the luxury of "chipping in" for rent and utilities; they pay for all of it. And this is on top of having to pay for their car, insurances, groceries, student loans, credit cards, etc. What don't you understand?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

That's probably the most frustrating thing about seeing speculation affecting card prices, especially when it comes out after the fact that someone just wanted to see if they could polish a turd and jack up the price of Deep Spawn. Somehow or another, they manage to wag the dog and get everyone to turn wasted attention to some podunk half-answer to some perceived problem in the metagame, or whatever.

Nothing against Deep Spawn; I won my first game of Magic with Deep Spawn. Me and Deep Spawn, we tight like :fist-claw-bump: and shit.

Deep Spawn is pretty strong in T 1.996, it's a trampling 6/6 dude that puts further dudes into your gy to either animate them or let them dance...

[apple713]

If you're living at home and not paying for many/any household bills, then you have far more disposable income then the vast majority of adults (that, you know, don't live with mommy and daddy). And if you don't have a girlfriend, then that ups your disposable income even more. So... if you're a single guy that lives at home with his parents, you can afford to play Legacy. Got it.

Magic is one of the most expensive games I've ever heard of. Standard is easily the most expensive format to play. If you give up playing standard for 2 base set rotations you'll have a great legacy deck.

[Stan]

You would be surprised how much eating out adds up.

If you stop eating out and drinking alcohol all together you could provably buy a beta dual every month

Btw this is a good conversation in the wrong thread....

How much money do you spend on booze and restaurants exactly?

[Einherjer]

Could you guys just shut up and only respond to this thread if a) you wanna contribute to the topic or b) have news about the matter at hand?

Thank you!

Greetings

[apple713]

Right... so when you're bragging in the "Legacy Pimp Card" thread that you buy $400 Vintage staples like Workshops (not even to play with as you said you have no Vintage scene in your area) simply because you can, referencing the fact that you have a semi-decent job and live at home, that really is roughing it out in adultland. Poor baby.

"Chipping in" for rent and utilities isn't the same as paying for 100% of them. If the mortgage is $1,000 and utilities come to another $400, that's $1,400 that an adult is solely responsible for. Even if you pay 50% of that (doubtful), you still are $700 ahead of everyone else who doesn't live at home. So again, it isn't the $10 burger that is keeping people away, it's the fact that they don't the luxury of "chipping in" for rent and utilities; they pay for all of it. And this is on top of having to pay for their car, insurances, groceries, student loans, credit cards, etc. What don't you understand?

If your mortgage is 1000 i recommend moving to something cheaper or refinancing. Rates are low and decent apartments can be had for 700

[Vastros]

Just got a message from them "police shut us down we can do no more buisness with the magic"

Goddamnit =(

[Arsenal]

Magic is one of the most expensive games I've ever heard of. Standard is easily the most expensive format to play. If you give up playing standard for 2 base set rotations you'll have a great legacy deck.

I agree completely. However, it's often times much more palatable financially (and probably psychologically) to spend $300 on a competitive Standard deck every 6 months than to drop $1,500 one-time only on a competitive Legacy deck. I think that's the issue a lot of Standard players face. They realize that in the long run, Legacy is cheaper, but in the short term with only $30 in their wallet and two Thassa's away from completing their deck, Standard allows them to play competitive Magic for "less" (relatively speaking).

[Arsenal]

If your mortgage is 1000 i recommend moving to something cheaper or refinancing. Rates are low and decent apartments can be had for 700

Not in the area that I live in. $1,000 mortgage either means you found a steal or live in a shack. $1,000 is the base for a semi-reasonable family home in my area.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I might pay 150-200 more a month. Which I already do pay for religious reasons.

Interesting! I must say I don't give that many to our church, otoh, we can't compare my and your situation - different countries, different ppl, different purchasing power, etc.

[Star|Scream]

If your mortgage is 1000 i recommend moving to something cheaper or refinancing. Rates are low and decent apartments can be had for 700

So people should give up their houses and move into cramped apartments in order to have spare money for magic?

And what if Duals one day rise to $2,000 each? What then? Will you finally admit the format is too expensive?

When is it finally okay to say "man I just can't afford to play Legacy?" Because apparently as long as SOME people are able to afford it, you all feel that EVERYONE should be able to.

[prateta]

Interesting! I must say I don't give that many to our church, otoh, we can't compare my and your situation - different countries, different ppl, different purchasing power, etc.

What's the point of giving money to church? Never really got to understand this. WoTC at least gives you pieces of paper for your money, churches trade with nothing.

[danyul]

What's the point of giving money to church? Never really got to understand this. WoTC at least gives you pieces of paper for your money, churches trade with nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe

[S1N1STER]

If your mortgage is 1000 i recommend moving to something cheaper or refinancing. Rates are low and decent apartments can be had for 700

If only I could find a place for that, I'm paying $900 for a studio.

[Arsenal]

What's the point of giving money to church? Never really got to understand this. WoTC at least gives you pieces of paper for your money, churches trade with nothing.

Let us know when your sample box comes in. Although the site seems to have shuttered it's doors, I'd be interested in knowing how close the fakes got to the real thing when these printers didn't even really know what they were copying.

[Technics]

Notice all the people here who contacted this company just in this forum. As I said before it's not even the counterfeits themselves that bother me, that's been going on for a while, it's the attitude shift I've noticed in the community. It's amazing how many people show their true colors when the opportunity presents itself to push that easy button even when they are doing so at the detriment of everyone else, and that's just the people who have admitted to it (I have the feeling a couple people may have contacted them with no intention of buying cards, but we all know the intention of the majority). This is the reason I see no positive end game for the format and have decided to call it quits not primarily that my cards might lose value.

Most of the people who contacted them were for an "investigative" purpose. I know that was the case for myself (more to see about picking up proxies for cube, and not playsets of jaces). I am still going through a Chinese printer to make "life like" proxies of my cube. Does that make me a bad person?

On a side note, the company I am currently looking at lets me upload the art I want. I'm working on a cool Magic: the Combo Cube backing for the cards to make it a little more unique. If anyone else can think of a cool tag line to name my cube (to be printed on the back of the cards) please let me know via PM)