[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[Asthereal]

Team Nijmegen plays only 1x Sea, 1x Volcanic and 4x fetch. And they seem to really like it.
So you could perhaps delay the purchase of the second Sea for some time.
I personally disagree with Team Nijmegen here, but it's a $60 saving, so worth mentioning.

Other than that Lem's right. Duals, fetches and Diamonds are a priority.
Duals and fetch because they are useful in everything you want to play.
Diamonds because this deck just sucks without them.

[Lemnear]

Team Nijmegen plays only 1x Sea, 1x Volcanic and 4x fetch. And they seem to really like it.
So you could perhaps delay the purchase of the second Sea for some time.
I personally disagree with Team Nijmegen here, but it's a $60 saving, so worth mentioning.

Other than that Lem's right. Duals, fetches and Diamonds are a priority.
Duals and fetch because they are useful in everything you want to play.
Diamonds because this deck just sucks without them.

I have also tested that idea, but hated it versus anything playing Wastelands. Not being able to use drawn Fetchlands is miserable and happened too often for my taste.

[Asthereal]

I have also tested that idea, but hated it versus anything playing Wastelands. Not being able to use drawn Fetchlands is miserable and happened too often for my taste.

Same here. But TN seem to score fine with 1x Sea lists, so I guess it's a valid option if you want to slowly build this deck.

[KaiSchafroth]

As someone who has just begun to build TES, what pieces would you recommend acquiring first?
I have a monthly budget of about $45-60 to build the list and its going to take me a while to complete as I'm starting out with very few of the cards for it. Right now I only have a few of the cantrips and rituals (no full sets), an Empty, and the City of Brasses. I've been working on getting trades, but the quality of my binder is relatively low as I lack many staples because I am primarily a casual player. I'm hoping to pick up some pieces at GP Richmond if I manage to make it there.

LEDs, fetches and duals. The other items you can either just pick up cheap or even (perhaps) get ppl to toss into trades since some of the pieces are pretty low $ value. If you're really budgeting it out while you build up; the duals can more easily be replaced with shocks or something to stand in. While clearly not optimal it lets you at least pilot the deck to some degree; not really feasible to do this w/o the LEDs. Fetches, we fortunately don't play that many so you can find something that suits your budget but I'd personally say shoot for the blue fetches. When building up TES myself (not all that long ago) it made more sense to just save a bit longer to buy the fetches or duals I wanted instead of subbing something else and feeling like I wasted money/time trading.

Also realizing this is the first post I've actually made here on Source...cripes ...greetings fellow storm troopers

[Lemnear]

Same here. But TN seem to score fine with 1x Sea lists, so I guess it's a valid option if you want to slowly build this deck.

Possibly.

Edit: I wonder where the tres.hold for substitution is in TES before budget limitations really influence your overall experience with the deck. I have seen many people building storm with various Substitute-cards (like Shocklands) leading to bad performances and rage quitting/selling the deck without having it ever completed

Edit 2:

LEDs, fetches and duals. The other items you can either just pick up cheap or even (perhaps) get ppl to toss into trades since some of the pieces are pretty low $ value. If you're really budgeting it out while you build up; the duals can more easily be replaced with shocks or something to stand in. While clearly not optimal it lets you at least pilot the deck to some degree; not really feasible to do this w/o the LEDs. Fetches, we fortunately don't play that many so you can find something that suits your budget but I'd personally say shoot for the blue fetches. When building up TES myself (not all that long ago) it made more sense to just save a bit longer to buy the fetches or duals I wanted instead of subbing something else and feeling like I wasted money/time trading.

Also realizing this is the first post I've actually made here on Source...cripes ...greetings fellow storm troopers

I strongly disagree. Shocklands are the worst to build TES on a budget. I'd rather play Gold-lands only than lightning Bolt myself with every Fetchland and wonder afterwards why my Ad Nauseams suck

[KaiSchafroth]

Possibly.

Edit: I wonder where the tres.hold for substitution is in TES before budget limitations really influence your overall experience with the deck. I have seen many people building storm with various Substitute-cards (like Shocklands) leading to bad performances and rage quitting/selling the deck without having it ever completed

I think the most major part is the mindset going into building a more budget friendly list. One or two friends that started on budget builds (storm or otherwise) and were ready to rip cardboard apart because they couldn't get over how they had to approach turns differently. Every change to the deck requires a different sequencing because you're not playing the same game plan. I think too many people just can't get past that; feeling out paced by the rest of what's happening.
The first legacy deck I built and piloted was the super budget sac-land tendrils deck so I was more than prepped for the limitations of building up real storm.

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Edit 2:

I strongly disagree. Shocklands are the worst to build TES on a budget. I'd rather play Gold-lands only than lightning Bolt myself with every Fetchland and wonder afterwards why my Ad Nauseams suck

Lemnear - I seriously meant the "or something" part. My only point was that the duals are important (top 3 list IMO to focus on acquiring first) but you have options if the price tag isn't feasible; be that shocks or gold lands, etc. while you wait.

[Lemnear]

I think the most major part is the mindset going into building a more budget friendly list. One or two friends that started on budget builds (storm or otherwise) and were ready to rip cardboard apart because they couldn't get over how they had to approach turns differently. Every change to the deck requires a different sequencing because you're not playing the same game plan. I think too many people just can't get past that; feeling out paced by the rest of what's happening.
The first legacy deck I built and piloted was the super budget sac-land tendrils deck so I was more than prepped for the limitations of building up real storm.

I salute to your inner peace. Sadly the majority of players want immediate payback for building and playing such a High Risk/High Reward deck and end up disappointed as a result of Self-inflicted limitations (money/availability) or refusing to give themselves the time to learn, how the deck CAN perform in Situation X & Y.

"Turn 1/2, 7 mana, Infernal -> Ad Nauseam" is often a very limited perception of the deck. :/

[hellhound]

Hi stormtroopers! I've started playing and testing TES since last september. Planning to bring to next GP.

Is anybody comin to GP Paris next Feb? What meta do you expect?

cya

[Lemnear]

Hi stormtroopers! I've started playing and testing TES since last september. Planning to bring to next GP.

Is anybody comin to GP Paris next Feb? What meta do you expect?

cya

Not going to Paris in Feb as i'm in Milan during that time for work.

I expect shitloads of Life from the Loam control decks, TNN + SFM without end, Elves, D&T as well as quite some Team America and the usual suspects playing ANT

[sawatarix]

I'll attend Gp Paris and give my TES a whirl !(lemnear and me having nearly the exact 75 at Bom 2013)

One fixed slot in my Sideboard is Massacre for sure to get rid of annoying Meddling Mages,Canonists etc.
I'm personally expecting a lot of UWx Decks (Tempo and Midrange).
There are also a lot of people who just ignore TNN and switch to combodecks,like us.
In the Combomirror the faster one will win,thats also one reason to play TES over ANT.The faster the better Gents,The Metagame is good for us in my opinion.


- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

[Lemnear]

I'll attend Gp Paris and give my TES a whirl !(lemnear and me having nearly the exact 75 at Bom 2013)

One fixed slot in my Sideboard is Massacre for sure to get rid of annoying Meddling Mages,Canonists etc.
I'm personally expecting a lot of UWx Decks (Tempo and Midrange).
There are also a lot of people who just ignore TNN and switch to combodecks,like us.
In the Combomirror the faster one will win,thats also one reason to play TES over ANT.The faster the better Gents,The Metagame is good for us in my opinion.


- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

You are aware that there are only virtual 5 permaments in the deck what turn on Massacre and D&T plays a shitload of non-plains white mana sources? That shit bite me at times

[sawatarix]

D&T plays
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Wasteland
4 Rishardan Port
12-14 Plains !
Massacre would always cost 0.
If the D&T Player plays around Massacre, he will start with a Wasteland into a slow vial,which is fine because we have infinite time to combo out.


- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

[Lemnear]

D&T plays
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Wasteland
4 Rishardan Port
12-14 Plains !
Massacre would always cost 0.
If the D&T Player plays around Massacre, he will start with a Wasteland into a slow vial,which is fine because we have infinite time to combo out.


- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

You forgot a playset of Karakas and some Eiganjo. A pal of mine plays the following manabase:

7 Plains
2 Horizon Canopy
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
2 Eiganjo Castle
4 Karakas

[hellhound]

Actually I've a slightly different SB from Lemnear's one:
1 Grapeshot
1 ETW
1 DR
1 Tendrils
1 Seize
2 Carpet
2 Decay
2 Xantid
1 PiF
2 Surgical*
1 Telemin*

*due to metacall since mine's full of reanimator ANT and S&T

Maindeck with 3 mox, 12 lands, 4 therapies and 3 silence

I've never been totally sold on the tropical in SB. Never won because of it, never felt the needing of having it (maybe I'm just very lucky! )

I'm tempted to change the surgicals with 2 dread of the night because of the lots of D&T I've seen around lately...

what you think? is it absurd? did u tested them already?

[anakyn]

I'm tempted to change the surgicals with 2 dread of the night because of the lots of D&T I've seen around lately...

what you think? is it absurd? did u tested them already?

I don't think Dread of night belongs to TES.

It's great in ANT 'cause that deck is slower and cantrip-heavier, so it needs something to stop Thalia and such (from now on also Spirit of the labyrinth) from ruining not only the combo itself, but the cantrips too.
And it usually plays 3-4 of them (right now I'm playing the full set) because it's vital to find it as soon as possible.

TES on the other hand:
- can combo before Thalia/Canonist hits the battlefield
- probably can't afford to reserve so many sideboard slots for Dread. Sideboard is already very tight, and a single Massacre seems better, although very risky as Lemnear also noted. All in all, Massacre too fits better in ANT than TES: if nothing else, they can't waste your Swamp.

I think trying "belcher-mode" against DnT, mulliganing aggressively, is the right choice. Unlike ANT which is more resilient, if you can't win before they land some hatebear and start messing with your mana, you're likely gonna lose.

From my experience it's not that easy to go belcher-style consistently, and that's one of the reasons why I prefer playing ANT at the moment.
I would be really glad if DnT disappeared from the meta (I hate that deck) but it's not happening soon... it just received more love from the recent expension, so it's probably gonna step up further (argh).

[Togores]

Tomorrow I will play big event. Im hard thinking on the deck.
Also I will play the usual suspect list.
The meta will be hard flooded with:
Counterbalance
Canadian
Bug control and team america.

So Its better to maintain 4 therapy 3 silence or 4 silence 3 therapy?
they are quite flexible slots there^^


thanks

[Lemnear]

Tomorrow I will play big event. Im hard thinking on the deck.
Also I will play the usual suspect list.
The meta will be hard flooded with:
Counterbalance
Canadian
Bug control and team america.

So Its better to maintain 4 therapy 3 silence or 4 silence 3 therapy?
they are quite flexible slots there^^


thanks

You may play a third Decay in your SB then. Therapy x4 all over

[Togores]

Third decay over?
Also know no list of sneak and show play leyline.

[Lemnear]

Third decay over?
Also know no list of sneak and show play leyline.

Gut feeling post Leyline: CoV

[KaiSchafroth]

Not sure which felt worse...punting away a game because I did exactly the opposite of what I had planned as I started the turn or slopping a win later because my opponent didn't remember to activate his DRS to stay alive and probably win.

Anyone at larger events this weekend storming it up?