Cheat on camera in SCG Open Baltimore, really?

[Tammit67]

Hey guys Rudy here. You are right I did play an extra land but it wasn't on purpose. I had less than 3 hours of sleep in the last two days and was very tired. As I'm sure many of you know magic can be a stressful game especially when you have many decision trees.

As some of you mentioned I fiddle a lot with my cards. This is something I did in every match I played and wasn't just in that match. I would suggest watching how I play first before you make assumptions about my motives.

I made a mistake and wasn't aware of it. In fact many people didn't including Todd and the table judge or the commentators.

I'm sorry I played an extra land it was an oversight and it isn't how I do things. I hope you can realize this was just a mistake and that not everyone can play perfectly all the time.

Sorry you felt the need to make an account to defend yourself.

[CabalTherapy]

I made a mistake and wasnt aware of it. In fact many peoe didn't including Todd and the table judge or the commentators.

Todd and the table judge were very inattentive. Strange that none of them noticed the play.

/: SCG commentators... well, they talk a lot of...


//: Sorry for my "Scumbag" post.

[Mister M.]

Nobody called Rudy Briszka a cheater. Whether his illegal action was intentional or not cannot be cleared up in hindsight. To me, it looked suspicious, and especially when performed by a semi-pro in a competitive setting with some money on the line, I think awareness should be raised.

However he did not take advantage of this land drop. He did not use the land for this turn, and skipped a land drop next turn. Really sound like a mistake..

Regarding this ^, it allowed him to keep up countermagic plus DRS activation/ double DRS. Since double Entomb is a common play by Reanimator vs. a single DRS, it might very well have altered Todd's play. Whether this additional land drop won him the game, nobody can tell for sure. But loosing this game would have probably knocked Rudy out of Top 8 contention.

If it was an honest mistake, Rudy's public excuse on facebook certainly is a respectable move.

Edit: post seems a little displaced, cause so many persons (incl Rudy) posted while I typed.

[davelin]

Nobody called Rudy Briszka a cheater.

Besides the several folks on this thread?

[Tammit67]

Besides the several folks on this thread?

I'm sure that you're not being deceived. Cheating isn't much of a surprise nowadays as it's common practice even in small scale tournaments.

No you're completely right.

The fact that he taps his dual drops the strand, and THEN plays his needle makes it quite shady.

Yeah the way that he like put the strand and the needle in play in one swift motion makes it seem pretty damn sketch

What a scumbag.

Im tired of cheaters.

And the title of the thread

[Mister M.]

Besides the several folks on this thread?

Well, I think many people agreed, that the action in question could very well have been cheating, regardless whether it actually payed out or not.
Just for the sake of the argument, lets assume a player who actually cheated in a similar situation was caught in the act afterwards by video footage. What would you assume, that player's reaction would be like?

Again, I get that Rudy Briszka is in a rough spot and if it's all been accidental I am sorry for him. But I think, the only viable attempt to keep the game clean is keeping the community vigilant. And if Rudy is in the same boat regarding this, I hope he is not overly sour about us discussing this.

[Anusien]

Cheating, in Magic, has a specific definition. You have to do something illegal, you have to do it on purpose, and you have to do it to try and gain an advantage. Can we stop rushing to assume people who make mistakes are cheaters?

Or would it not be as much fun to have a thread called, "Nitpicky error that didn't affect the match at all on camera"?

[sipes1946]

if you make a "mistake" and you realize you made that "mistake" you should correct it in whatever way that would require...if you do not I would say that you have transitioned from "mistaken" to "cheating"

[davelin]

Well, I think many people agreed, that the action in question could very well have been cheating, regardless whether it actually payed out or not.

Sure, and some already had jumped to the conclusion that the action was deliberate i.e. cheating.

Just for the sake of the argument, lets assume a player who actually cheated in a similar situation was caught in the act afterwards by video footage. What would you assume, that player's reaction would be like?

Sure, and some folks on this thread seem to have flipped their stance given this "predictable" reaction as well FWiW.

[Anusien]

Any reaction a player could give to being confronted with an error they committed, other than "Yes I did it on purpose, please disqualify me now", could just as easily be indicative of an accidental mistake as intentional cheating.

Catching cheaters is hard.

[Parcher]

Besides, even if you didn't do it, I'm going to punish you, because I'm big and you're small, and I'm right and you're wrong, and there's nothing you can do about it. You're a liar and a cheat, and your father's a liar and a cheat! You're the most corrupt low-lifes in the history of civilization! Am I wrong? I'm never wrong.

Rudy's going into the Chokey!

[Phelix]

huge difference between making an illegal play, and cheating.

ive made many (waaaay to many) illegal plays. but i dont cheat.

[nedleeds]

The only real difference is the REL level. At professional isn't it just always a game loss?

[Tammit67]

The only real difference is the REL level. At professional isn't it just always a game loss?

No.

http://www.wizards.com/ContentResour...Guide_PDF1.pdf

Out of curiosity, what leads you to believe that?

[Arsenal]

So this is a thing, but nobody is talking about Jeremy Hsu trying to get a freebie-win against Kurt Speiss game 1 by asking to see Kurt's sideboard the turn before losing, then tried to get another freebie-win game 2 by not understanding how big his own Goyf was the turn before losing?

[nedleeds]

I thought at professional the various infractions (detailed in the infractions guide) were more strictly enforced. I haven't played in enough Pro Tours to remember :|

http://www.wizards.com/ContentResour...Guide_PDF1.pdf

If I ran the world I'd probably make it one mulligan at professional. Competitive it's 3.

"A third or subsequent Warning for a Game Play Error offense in the same category should be upgraded to a Game
Loss. For multi-day events, the penalty count for these infractions resets between days."

[nedleeds]

So this is a thing, but nobody is talking about Jeremy Hsu trying to get a freebie-win against Kurt Speiss game 1 by asking to see Kurt's sideboard the turn before losing, then tried to get another freebie-win game 2 by not understanding how big his own Goyf was the turn before losing?

That's just sad and desperate. I think anyone watching such a pitiful reach for a win recognizes that Jeremy values his "success" at MTG more than his personal pride. If he asked to count his opponent sideboard before each game 1 at competitive events I'd pay it no mind but I anticipate that isn't the case.

[Richard Cheese]

Hey guys Rudy here. You are right I did play an extra land but it wasn't on purpose. I had less than 3 hours of sleep in the last two days and was very tired. As I'm sure many of you know magic can be a stressful game especially when you have many decision trees.

As some of you mentioned I fidddle a lot with my cards. This is something I did in every match I played and wasn't just in that match. I would suggest watching how I play first before you make assumptions about my motives.

I made a mistake and wasnt aware of it. In fact many peoe didn't including Todd and the table judge or the commentators.

I'm sorry I played an extra land it was an oversight and it isn't how I do things. I hope you can realize this was just a mistake and that not everyone can play perfectly all the time.

Hey Rudy, welcome to The Source, where everyone is an expert on cheating, game design, economics, personal finance, self defense, statistics, and is generally smarter and better than you. Enjoy your stay, and be sure to stop by our Banlist thread for our perennial discussion of how Brainstorm is ruining the format but Survival can fix it.

[nedleeds]

It's actually Brainstorm that makes Survival over the top powerful. But yeah ... everything else Richard said.

[Megadeus]

I'd like to point out that I never actually Said he was a cheater. I said it seemed shady the way he did it, and regardless of intent, he did break the rules. I hate to make it seem like I'm implying that he is a cheater. I certainly have done this same thing before on accident. Luckily my opponents generally catch it. I'm just saying that from the knowledge that I had, which was seeing the extra land drop and the swift motion of doing multiple things at a time, it seemed shady.