[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

[jandax]

They havent yet but it doesnt mean they wont.

Thoughtseize was awfully close to 100 tho and it got reprinted.

Rishadan port shouldnt be a 100 card either. Thanks scg


I feel like scg will have the mtg bubble pop on them like the housing market. At a certain point people stop joining the pool of legacy players and no one buys an underground sea because scg wants to sell it for $400. 400 price point is probably only a couple years away.

They'll just get a WotC bailout...

[mini1337s]

If SCG is pricing Underground Seas at $250, it's because there are people out there paying $250 for them. These aren't Alpha or Beta duals, so the price isn't based on collectibility, it's based on demand. Limited supply + high demand = $250 Underground Seas. If the demand declines, the price will go down. SCG is a real business with a big payroll and a lot of operating expenses; they can't afford to outprice their customers.

[Megadeus]

I mean, if they know they can get 250 for them, then why not charge that? I hate that they are so ridiculously expensive because I dont own any, but thats jsut the way it is.

So I agree mini

[Lt. Quattro]

They havent yet but it doesnt mean they wont.

Thoughtseize was awfully close to 100 tho and it got reprinted.

Rishadan port shouldnt be a 100 card either. Thanks scg


I feel like scg will have the mtg bubble pop on them like the housing market. At a certain point people stop joining the pool of legacy players and no one buys an underground sea because scg wants to sell it for $400. 400 price point is probably only a couple years away.

Thoughtseize was never close to a $100, this shows it was $65 at its highest, it was probably cheaper on ebay.http://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/3296

Why shouldn't port be a $100 card? It's 15 years old, its the only money rare from an unpopular set, its used as a 4 of in the decks that use it and its seeing increased use from lands decks.

From Mark Rosewaters Blogatog, September 08, 2013:

agahin asked: is Rishadan Port too strong to be reprinted?

Let me start by reminding you that I am not a developer and thus power level is not my area of expertise.

That said, yes.

[apple713]

They'll just get a WotC bailout...

The only bailout at that point is to get rid of the reserve list to increase supply.

If SCG is pricing Underground Seas at $250, it's because there are people out there paying $250 for them. These aren't Alpha or Beta duals, so the price isn't based on collectibility, it's based on demand. Limited supply + high demand = $250 Underground Seas. If the demand declines, the price will go down. SCG is a real business with a big payroll and a lot of operating expenses; they can't afford to outprice their customers.

When scg raises prices so do other stores on tcg player. Ebay gets bought out be ause ppl expect a spike.

See how those events change the price level with no chNge in demand?

Thoughtseize was never close to a $100, this shows it was $65 at its highest, it was probably cheaper on ebay.http://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/3296

Why shouldn't port be a $100 card? It's 15 years old, its the only money rare from an unpopular set, its used as a 4 of in the decks that use it and its seeing increased use from lands decks.

Karakas should be higher than port by your reasoning

[snorlaxcom]

Karakas should be higher than port by your reasoning

No. Karakas is an uncommon and not a four of in decks that play it. D&t needs 4 port, but budget versions can skimp on using 3 karakas. Porting is more relevant in more games in decks running port than the situational utility of a karakas. The judge printing and legend type of the card helps regulate its value, too.

[mini1337s]

When scg raises prices so do other stores on tcg player. Ebay gets bought out be ause ppl expect a spike.
See how those events change the price level with no chNge in demand?

As Magic cards can't be individually printed on demand, in order to sell Underground Seas, SCG needs to buy them from players/collectors. Eventually, they sell out of Underground Seas at $200 but their buylist prices are no longer sufficient to continue motivating people to sell to their store. In order to replenish stock, they need raise their buylist prices to incentivize people to sell to their store. As they are a business, they need to increase revenue and profit, so they subsequently raise their selling price.
So TLDR, people buying $200 Underground Seas makes it more difficult for SCG to buylist at an level that they can profitably resell $200 Underground Seas, so the sell price is raised.
Sure, SCG has a huge influence on the market, and they have the ability to arbitrarily increase cards, but there is more of a method to the madness than "derp make U Sea $250."

[snorlaxcom]

Port price jump is crazy, but the foil has got to be insane if the dust ever settles.

[Kayradis]

This is what's happening here.

[Shawon]

Port is $130 on SCG. Still out of stock.

Yeah, I'm fucking selling my Port x1 today. Almost regret trading my Port + 3 DRS for MM Goyf over the weekend ($136 v. $150 then, $166 v. $150 now), but at least I know MM Goyf will spike over time.

[Kayradis]

So glad I bought so much shit at GP DC!
4 x Cabal Therapy (Judgement) Foil = 100$ Now? 200$
4 x Rishadan Ports = 240$ Now? 480$

Bragging about smart buys = FUCKING PRICELESS!

[Shawon]

So glad I bought so much shit at GP DC!
4 x Cabal Therapy (Judgement) Foil = 100$ Now? 200$
4 x Rishadan Ports = 240$ Now? 480$

Bragging about smart buys = FUCKING PRICELESS!

It is fucking priceless. I have no idea which Port I still have, but of the two, one I won at a tourney for a $20 entry, and the other I bought in like 2007 for $8.

[Arsenal]

As someone who purchased Ports back in 2006/2007 for my Goblins deck, all I can say is WTF is happening. There's no way that the ever-so slight uptick in Lands/Jund Depths play is resulting in this astronomical increase. D&T isn't being played anymore than it has been over the last two years, in fact, it may be seeing even less play post-TNN. I just hate the economics of Magic so much.

[danyul]

How much does a Magic card have to be worth in order for it to be worth more than its weight in gold?

And how does that number change when we take foils into account? (Because foils are slightly heavier)

I probably could have Googled that, but it's more fun to ask here.

[Kayradis]

25$ and up.
And an once of tarmagoyfs if stupid.

[Exuberance]

How much does a Magic card have to be worth in order for it to be worth more than it's weight in gold?

And how does that number change when we take foils into account? (Because foils are slightly heavier)

I probably could have Googled that, but it's more fun to ask here.

Gold is $1322 per ounce.
A Magic card weighs 0.064 ounces.

Ergo, a golden Magic card is worth about $84-$85 dollars.

Nice duals, dogg!

EDIT: Wait, that's troy ounces. Damn. Uh... I give up.

[danyul]

I hate math, but these websites say that a Troy ounce = 1.09714 avoirdupois ounces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_ounce

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoirdupois

So what does that mean?

[Kayradis]

Got bored.
An ounce of Mox Pearl(UNL) is 9002.81$ US
1 once of Mox = 6 onces of Gold.
Just sayin'

[Lt. Quattro]

As someone who purchased Ports back in 2006/2007 for my Goblins deck, all I can say is WTF is happening. There's no way that the ever-so slight uptick in Lands/Jund Depths play is resulting in this astronomical increase. D&T isn't being played anymore than it has been over the last two years, in fact, it may be seeing even less play post-TNN. I just hate the economics of Magic so much.

I'm guessing that most of the ports that were bought don't enter back into circulation.

[Arsenal]

I'm guessing that most of the ports that were bought don't enter back into circulation.

I agree, although for such a sharp increase in price, you'd typically expect there to be an equal uptick in demand... I'm just not seeing it. A gradual, slower increase in price is normally what you'd expect if this was simply "it's an old card that isn't seeing recirculation... gotta appreciate the value 3-5% every few months".