UW/UWR is easily one of the best decks in the format, as with Storm, and it made no showing at the top. Modern is like Legacy, but if everyone played the metagame at the same time. It changes incredibly fast for a format with no rotation, and is INCREDIBLY skill intensive. It is often harder to play than Legacy. If you make a mistake you cannot recover. Your opponents' cards and interactions are powerful enough to crush you, but your individual cards and card selection is/are bad on their own.
Synergy is HUGE in Modern, whereas in Legacy synergy is a side effect of the most powerful Spells being played together. This is especially true with Storm. You can kill people with like 3 cards in Legacy. In Modern you a) need to hit 20 - not 10 copies of your kill, and b) have almost zero good draw Spells outside of Manamorphose, which is only good with an active permanent. Every Spell in Legacy Storm is basically broken in Modern, short of the Tutor interaction, and Ad Nauseum being unplayable.
Birting Pod takes the place of Elves. It plays an aggressive midrange strategy, whereas Elves plays straight aggro, and has a combo kill. It plays a pseudo toolbox strategy in Pod and Chord, replacing Zenith and Order. You can then combo kill people around a turn slower than most combo decks. Your combo is more consistent because of that, but being Creature-based is also easier to interact with. The main difference here is that your games are less about explosive T1 and T2 plays in Modern, allowing the deck a small set-up time that you don't get in Elves. There's also additional interaction in Modern as people don't just go "Doesn't matter; have Force" and actually play a lot of cards to mess with plans.
One thing that was said on Stream was that this additional interaction causes bigger, fatter combos to be more relevant, hence why Kiki-Jiki is played on Modern, but also creates these odd situations where someone tries to win and are stopped. The second player tries to win and is stopped, and then you have a lone Inkmoth Nexus trying beat a Snapcaster Mage in what is essentially a race to the finish now that everyone has been crippled. It's then about making the most with very little.
So basically the opening turns are like a game of chicken, then T3-5 is like Legacy, then it's like Limited.
EDIT: I agree with the previously mentioned Planeswalker test. *Sleeves up Tamiyo and Gideon*
The conspiracy goes deeper than you might think.Originally Posted by useL
Can I pay you for not posting in this thread?
ok,here we are.
There is always a dude to predict that the great apocalyps is upon us,a preacher who have forseen the seven plagues incoming.
you're not the first,you're not the last,i'm fine with that.
However,and i beg your pardon,the legacy world will not colapse soon or later.
You know why ?
Because human beings loves above all,power and greatness.
They like watching great sport's actions,powerfull cars/moto's racing,they loves great wines,they loves fine meals.
Humans loves what is best in life.
Thats why legacy will always be played around the world.
im pending between both world,i like modern and legacy,i'm playing both.
But i'm sick of fanboys,who cant just enjoy their favorite format without asking for the well deserved death of legacy.
Doing that you just show to the world your frustration.
I predict participant numbers will decrease, when people realize, that modern events look like this
http://imgur.com/a/SjcgE
lol
Legacy is shit, long live the Mox
The conspiracy goes deeper than you might think.Can I pay you for not posting in this thread?
How exactly did reprinting (Modern Masters) keep prices down? i.e. Tarmogoyf, Vendilion Clique, Cryptic Command, Dark Confidant. All it did was allow people to pay $10-12/pack or $250/box to gamble and try to get these cards cheaper. It did lower the price on fringe cards such as Spell Snare, Kitchen Finks, etc.
Is that guy the Kami of the Crescent Moon?
Way to win the thread. Luckily all Legacy players are in athletic shape and know how to wear their pants. Oh wait, only in Europe. Sorry America :/
Humphrey is always correct.
Yet you still post here.
lol
I wonder what Legacy and Vintage look like?
Kurgern and YamiJoey are in a poetic contest or something.
good luck to this degenerated thread.
Legacy - a format that is capped by the amount of Duals and FoW in supply.
Modern - a format in which many of the matches are combo a vs combo b, planeswalkers in less than one-third of all decks in any given tournaments, and at risk of having your deck banned at any given moments.
You sound like a vintage player 10 years ago.
Prices went up because modern masters increased interest in the format and directly resulted in their two largest GPs ever. They will continue to reprint this stuff and make truckload of cash.How exactly did reprinting (Modern Masters) keep prices down? i.e. Tarmogoyf, Vendilion Clique, Cryptic Command, Dark Confidant. All it did was allow people to pay $10-12/pack or $250/box to gamble and try to get these cards cheaper. It did lower the price on fringe cards such as Spell Snare, Kitchen Finks, etc.
Yes, because ONE Top 16 = the format forever. And what does the use of Planeswalkers have to do with anything? That's such a random indicator of format health.
Thanks for memories.
Hill Giant means business.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't understand how people who don't even competitively play Modern are commenting on the state of Modern based off of ONE Top 16. If you don't understand the difference between Kitchen Finks in Kiki-Pod vs. Project Melira, then how are you qualified to classify them as "the same deck"?
I mean, that'd be like some Standard-only player looking at some SCG Legacy Open Top 16 and declaring Legacy to be exactly that and nothing else. How would that go over on these boards?
I'm pretty sure the fact that the Modern GP had record setting numbers doesn't mean very much. They basically bribed players to come play. I don't even play Modern but I considered borrowing a deck just to get my hands on that super sexy Batterskull, and the playmat isn't bad either.
Considering that I have seen the play mat itself go for close to double the entry cost, I'd say it probably was worth it to borrow a deck if you were anywhere close. If I had the cash I probably would've done the same thing
I wasn't aware that covered hotel costs, travel, and time too. It's the largest constructed event ever, it's a pretty big deal.
That certainly describes the buttcracks
To me it's akin to Legacy classifying the many different versions of Nic Fit as one deck. Different wincons, significantly different lists, even different engines, but Explorer/Therapy is there so...same deck?
Speaking as someone that has no Modern experience, I look at the list and I see a bunch of Birthing Pod decks, and a bunch of Twin decks and one that's kinda both. Even though I'm aware at some level that they probably all play pretty differently, it's hard not to make that generalization when you're just looking at deck lists. Since I'm not about to sit around on Cockatrice grinding Modern matchups to find the nuances of every deck, it's just easier to ask.
Maybe it's more fair to classify them as broad archetypes like we tend to do with Storm, Tempo, Aggro-Control, etc.
I think the biggest thing is the deep seeded emotional understanding that the right play is the right play regardless of outcomes. The ability to make a decision 5 straight times, lose 5 times because of it, and still make it the 6th time if it's the right play. - Jon Finkel
"Notions of chance and fate are the preoccupation of men engaged in rash undertakings."
I wish this was true - I would have been there in a heartbeat. But neither Plane nor Train nor Automobile could get me from Denver to Richmond for less than $350, and as someone who lives in a major hub city that has flights to Europe occasionally for less than $150, it was damn near nausea-inducing.
Star City has shown historically a huge East-Coast bias in their events, and this one was no exception. If they had picked a real city, with a real airport, I have no doubt they would have easily hit the 5k cap.
If someone with no Legacy experience looked at TPS and ANT, or any one of half a dozen Delver variants, and declared them to be basically the same thing, I would have a hard time arguing with them. As a matter of fact, I would have much the same reaction to someone who lumped Kiki and Melira in the same "Pod" category, or someone who said that adding Goyfs to your Splinter Twin list didn't make it a unique deck.
I think you are reaching a bit far claiming that no one involved in this discussion 'competitively' (god, I hate that word in this context) plays Modern. I mean, if you weren't at the GP or the PT, could you have competitively played the format in the last 6 months? Does the 8 man that fires at the LGS with a bunch of last-season's Standard players who don't like the current format count? What about the GPT win-a-box? What about the daily's online? Modern is an immature format. It is neigh-constantly in flux (one of the biggest complaints I have heard from most Legacy players) and it's identity is effectively defined by it's historical instability.
Check out my Legacy UBTezz Primer. Chalice of the Void: Keeping Magic Fair.
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Playing since '96. Brief forced break '02-04. Former/Idle Judge since '05. Told Smmenen to play faster at Vintage Worlds.
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Most of the 'Ban brainstorm!' arguments are based on the logic that 'more different cards should get played in Legacy', as though the success or health of the format can be measured by the portion of cards that are available and see play. This is an idiotic metric.
I finally got out of my 2 year lurking status just to tell you that "metagame" and "top performing decks" are not the the same statistic.
If you want to find the best deck, a single tournament Top16 is not enough. The winning deck is not necessarily determined by the outcome of a single tournament. In order to determine the best decks you need to include a large sample size, as you clearly state in your posts.
Metagame is what people play. To determine a Metagame, a single tournament of larger size is sufficient to paint a picture of what people play. This information should still be taken with respect to local variances. But your opposition in this argument is fully correct that a tournament with over 4000 participants in a new/post banning format is an excellent indicator of what is being played in the modern format. The representation percentage of a deck states the Metagame and not the best deck, which you are so crucially persistent on.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...prich14/day2#4
I only tap forMana
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