[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[sawatarix]

Deck: "The Machine Gun" by Kai Thiele (17th @ BoM 2014)

Counts : 60 main / 15 sideboard

Spells:45
1 Chrome Mox
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Brainstorm
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
1 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Ad Nauseam

Lands:15
1 Bayou
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Volcanic Island

Sideboard:15
2 Chain of Vapor
4 Dread of Night
3 Xantid Swarm
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Young Pyromancer





- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

[P-E]

what were your side tables for this version ?

and now you test -1 top +1 Wish and fluster in side are back ?

[nevilshute]

Your opponent in round nine was Maciej Pasek - he managed top 8 in GP Amsterdam;)

Many thanks

In my haste to get to my table I lost the spelling of his name, and when I got to the table and we shook hands I quickly gave up on learning how to pronounce the name as I apparently really suck at Polish. I just wrote "magic" on my notepad

[Karbani]

Thx!

Against miracle i boardet like this:

+ 3 young Pyromancer
+ 3 abrupt decay
- 1 chrome mox
- 2 cabal ritual
- 1 swamp
- 1 lotus Petal
- 1 ad nauseam

So i took out fast mana or say mana in general because you have time anyway to extend your manabase.
Ad nauseam gets a bit worse without chrome mox and the 4th petal so i cut one.

It felt like playing aggro control with a combo finish,so much fun when you see your opponent becomes desperate :D



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[sawatarix]

@P-E:

Yep now i'm testing the list above -1 Senseis devining top -1 bayou + burning wish + badlands

But i'm not sure if it's great,wish is just great after ad nauseam because you need no lions eye diamond and sometimes you can start turn 1 with a couple of goblins like tes does.
But i'm not 100% sure about that card,maybe it should be top or a preordain again.


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[anomie-p]

It is a matter of investment. With EtW you usually invest all your hand into a 2 turn clock; with pyromancer you just give up a single card for a realistic 4-turn clock instead.

As you usually cantrip and sling discard for a few turns, pyromancer just gives additional value for things you'll do anyways and possibly just killing your opponent in the process by itself

Ahh - "all-in on the card" vs. "not all in on the card", if i grok.

Makes sense, thank you!

[sawatarix]

Ok guys,

Finally i've a list of matchups were Young Pyromancer shines in postboard games.

In general:
Young Pyromancer itself is kinda weak and the token as well and i mean the powerlevel,not the quantity.
Boarding them against a batterskull deck doesn't make sense right? Good.

A few decks board out all of their "strong" creatures and replace them with countermagic or other disruption,RUG Delver is a perfect example.
I'm also a RUG Delver Pilot (Team RUGStar,so kinda obvious i know :D )
And against storm i normally board out 3-4 goyfs for flusterstorms,blasts,...

So Young Pyromancer becomes a real beater and manages to control the board and finally swarms the opponent.

Ok now the te matchups were Young Pyromancer is good to have:

- Miracles (!)
- RUG Delver
- Grixis Delver
- BUG Landstill
- UWR Delver (they board out Stoneforge for Meddling Mage i think)
- NLT
- UR Delver

Maybe:
- Team America,not sure about that so i need your feedback and opinions :)




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[Namida]

Well, I brought ANT to the BoM and finished 18th. Here's the list I played:


4x Dark Ritual
4x Cabal Ritual
4x Lion's Eye Diamond
4x Lotus Petal
4x Infernal Tutor
1x Grim Tutor
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Empty the Warrens
2x Past in Flames
4x Brainstorm
4x Ponder
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Cabal Therapy
2x Duress
1x Thoughtseize

4x Polluted Delta
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Underground Sea
1x Volcanic Island
1x Tropical Island
1x Badlands
1x Gemstone Mine
1x Island
1x Swamp


Sideboard:

3x Abrupt Decay
3x Xantid Swarm
2x Chain of Vapor
2x Carpet of Flowers
2x Massacre
1x Pyroclasm
1x Ad Nauseam
1x Tendrils of Agony

Can you explain why you play two Past in Flames? I'm thinking of taking a similar list to my local event tomorrow, but I'd probably be playing two Grim Tutor since I don't understand the reasoning here.

[nevilshute]

Can you explain why you play two Past in Flames? I'm thinking of taking a similar list to my local event tomorrow, but I'd probably be playing two Grim Tutor since I don't understand the reasoning here.

Well, the reasoning is that I think PiF is the best combo engine in the deck in game one. Furthermore, most of the time, it's preferable to have a PiF while going off with a tutor, led and a ritual. Because you can go off through a hard counter by either drawing it out on the tutor, or by grabbing a duress with the tutor, mana permitting.

I'm not utterly convinced it's the way to proceed, but I'm hitherto quite pleased with the results.

Once you're no longer running Ad Nauseam in the maindeck you get the freedom to play with some of the CMC-limits the deck otherwise demands.

I will say that I pretty much always side out one of the PiF after game one to offset them bringing in graveyard hate.

[anomie-p]

- UWR Delver (they board out Stoneforge for Meddling Mage i think)

I play UWR as well, and I don't think I've ever done that - I board out StP for Meddling Mage and usually pulled out TNN & jitte for SoFaF & some REB/pyroblast (actually, I'd have to think a little, I haven't played in a while and don't remember exactly how I'd board, because I'm pretty sure I pull in some Rest In Peace - but I definitely left in Stoneforge, and swapped Jitte for SoFaF - every hit with batterskull means more storm needed, I wouldn't take it out)

(Of course, I'm not that great a player, so YMMV)

[BrettF]

Finished the swiss in 4th place (out of 68) at a vancouver tournament. Lost a close match to BUGDelver in top8. List as follows:

1 Ad Nauseam
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
3 Preordain
4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Ponder
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
2 Island
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
SB: 2 Chain of Vapor
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 3 Massacre
SB: 4 Dark Confidant
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Cabal Therapy

The meta here has slightly more Dredge and ANT and less Grisselbrand, so i went for 2 Surgical+1 Therapy instead of the normal 3 Xantid Swarms. Bobs seemed like a good choice with ANT, BUG, and Miracles being the most played decks in the area.

Boarding synopsis:

*R1 Mono Red Burn (win)
+2 Chain of Vapor
+1 Cabal Therapy
-2 Preordain
-1 Gitaxian Probe

*R2 Jund Pod NicFit (win)
+2 Chain of Vapor
+1 Cabal Therapy
-3 Preordain

*R3 UWR Delver (win)
+2 Chain of Vapor
+1 Cabal Therapy
-3 Preordain

*R4 ANT mirror (loss)
+4 Dark Confidant
+2 Surgical Extraction
-1 Island
-3 Preordain
-1 lotus Petal
-1 Cabal Ritual

*R5 Elves (win)
+2 Chain of Vapor
+1 Cabal Therapy
-3 Preordain

*R6 Shardless BUG (win)
+4 Dark Confidant
-3 Preordain
-1 Cabal Ritual

*R7 BUG Delver (draw into top8)

*Quarterfinals - Same Bug Delver player as R7. (loss)
+4 Dark Confidant
+1 Empty The Warrens
-3 Preordain
-1 Cabal Ritual
-1 Duress

I think my configuration was good for the day. Any input on my boarding VS ANT & BUGdelver? I was uneasy there...

[cheerios]

@Brett

How did the Bobs perform versus BUG Delver? I never liked Bob versus BUG Delver.

Cheers

[BrettF]

@cheerios

I thought it was sweet. He never had removal and never cast a lilliana though. But compared to the preordains i sided out, bobs increased my outs hugely and helped negate his hymns. Thats the only match ive ever played with the configuration though so i'm not sure.

[cheerios]

@Brett

Hmmmm. Might have been bad luck on my end. The guy usually dies on my experience. Sometimes he ends up as a body to block goyf too.

Cheers

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[sawatarix]

First of all,congratulations BrettF for your result :)

We also tested dark confidant here in berlin with carsten kotter and our legacy crew im the ANT Sideboard for a while and finally we don't believe that bob has a real home in ant - or should i say bob doesn't deserve 4 slots in the sideboard.

In the mirror:
The mirrorgames turns out like a pure race or(!) a disruption game when both players get hellbent due to multiple duresses.
If both players start to grind instead of comboing,bob is nuts of course.but otherwise not because bob is a slow card in nature.
In short: i'm not even sure about boarding them in against the mirror, probably not.
There are a lot of Storm-players around here but nobody has a single bob in the sideboard.

Against slow Hymn to tourach decks where bob should be good(shardless bug,jund,pox,...):
These decks play 3-4 hymn to tourach and it really hurts if they hit our important spells,so far so good (bad :D)
The bob-effect seems really strong here but there is still a big problem:
Even if our opponent is stupid and board out all removal spells there is still 3-4 liliana of the veil left to take care of bob pretty soon.

Even against Miracle Young Pyromancer is better (in my experience)


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[BrettF]

Thanks Kai.

I went in kind of blind just switching from TES so i didn't get to test Young Pyromancer.

Looking forward to ANTing some more.

EDIT:
I wonder if pyromancer is best in a 4 preordain build to take advantage of full cantrip velocity in post-board games?

[sawatarix]

You are right, after round 5 of BoM i wished my senseis devining top would be a preordain instead to support young pyromancer.
Senseis devining top could be a sideboard card against discard-heavy decks from now.

Another thing i changed is my 15th land ,i'm playing badlands now instead of bayou because of the pyromancers, now i board them also against decks with wastelands so having 2 red lands seems rock solid.


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[cheerios]

@Kai/Sawatarix

How were the Young Pyro's versus BUG? I'm currently searching for an effective storm list versus BUG (been testing ANT and Bryant's new T.E.S. list). Your list is quite interesting with the lack of ETW and 2 MD Ad Nauses.

Cheers

[sawatarix]

Which type of bug deck do you mean?

Team america with delver and dazes or shardless bug with agent and lilianas?
Or even bug walkers ?


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[cheerios]

Which type of bug deck do you mean?

Team america with delver and dazes or shardless bug with agent and lilianas?
Or even bug walkers ?


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I was refering to bug delver with Lilis main deck.

Cheers

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