[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[Dice_Box]

Yes. Sorry quoting is not easy from a mobile.

[bennotsi]

Most of the time the hand needs to be developed, and willing banking on wish and looking for more spells I get empty and can kill them in one turn with goblins, and goblins are very successful going into turn 3 because I also have war strike lol

Do you seriously think that in the 7 year history of this deck you're the first one to suggest and test Goblin War Strike? It has been discussed to death, Goblin War Strike is way too situational. There are plenty of other sideboard cards that are better at improving the matchups that you target with Goblin War Strike and improve other matchups as well.

[mario91234]

If one were to add a 14th land to the board with the intention to play similar to how dredge plays against delver decks, what would it be?

Mario

[apocolyps6]

Yesterday a friend of mine was playtesting the current list against miracles. I walk in on the game:
hand: ETW, IT, DR, 2x LP, GP, CM
board: Volc, Usea, misty, gemstone (2counters)
opponent has a hand of force, blue card(pierce?), terminus, 2 unknowns
board is counterbalance, top, 3ish available lands (1 fetch)

Questions: Is this completely hopeless if the opponent plays correctly? How would you play this?

[davelin]

Yesterday a friend of mine was playtesting the current list against miracles. I walk in on the game:
hand: ETW, IT, DR, 2x LP, GP, CM
board: Volc, Usea, misty, gemstone (2counters)
opponent has a hand of force, blue card(pierce?), terminus, 2 unknowns
board is counterbalance, top, 3ish available lands (1 fetch)

Questions: Is this completely hopeless if the opponent plays correctly? How would you play this?

Is this pre or post SB?

[mario91234]

Yesterday a friend of mine was playtesting the current list against miracles. I walk in on the game:
hand: ETW, IT, DR, 2x LP, GP, CM
board: Volc, Usea, misty, gemstone (2counters)
opponent has a hand of force, blue card(pierce?), terminus, 2 unknowns
board is counterbalance, top, 3ish available lands (1 fetch)

Questions: Is this completely hopeless if the opponent plays correctly? How would you play this?

start with probe, if he shows u 1 cmc w/o tapping top you lose
if he taps top to set 1, respond with ritual and empty some warrens.
if allowed to resolve, you get +1 cards and you know other 2 cards and can proceed from there. I think theres too much missing info from there to proceed, but if its all blanks I would raw dawg that empty out there.

[Lemnear]

Yesterday a friend of mine was playtesting the current list against miracles. I walk in on the game:
hand: ETW, IT, DR, 2x LP, GP, CM
board: Volc, Usea, misty, gemstone (2counters)
opponent has a hand of force, blue card(pierce?), terminus, 2 unknowns
board is counterbalance, top, 3ish available lands (1 fetch)

Questions: Is this completely hopeless if the opponent plays correctly? How would you play this?

start with probe, if he shows u 1 cmc w/o tapping top you lose
if he taps top to set 1, respond with ritual and empty some warrens.
if allowed to resolve, you get +1 cards and you know other 2 cards and can proceed from there. I think theres too much missing info from there to proceed, but if its all blanks I would raw dawg that empty out there.

You guys miss the bigger picture and I'm once more the guy in this thread spoiling the fun. In short: It IS hopeless unless the Miracles pilot is totally incompetent. The question isn't "Can I get EtW resolved?" which I would clearly answer with "yes"; it is "can EtW win me the game?" and this questions answer is "No". The reason for the later questions answer is the fact that your opponent has 2 draws, a SDT and a fetch among plenty of manasources to either find a Brainstorm or a sweeper which is pretty much guaranteed. Going for Ad Nauseam instead won't be possible due to mana shortage as your opponent can just block your 1cc spells even if you try to respond to his SDT-draw with a DR as he can still spin the Top and fetch with the draw-trigger on the stack, finding a 1cc Spell for the Counterbalance.

Edit 1: even if you somehow slip spells through the Counterbalance, there is still FoW ... nevermind.

[sawatarix]

If your opponent isn't a troll he wins.
If he is, you win :)
Let's hope he is one.




- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

[Pelikanudo]

I feel both topics in this post, SB cards and manabase, are entwined.

First, I rode the 3 Decay like a bike with training wheels during last year and just failed to be able to cast them every fucking time I was paired against a deck with Chalice or Thorn as Wasteland completely ripped the iffy 4c manabase or they got stuck in my hand because I was unwilling to cripple my manabase by fetching a Tropical against Patriot and lack red mana afterwards (This was before we reemployed Pyroblast to do the dirty work and remove Meddling Mages). Here comes the problem: as Decay is in fact completely useless against UW Blade or Chalice.dec so you can only board them against Miracles. That's insanely limited to dedicate a full 3 slots AND putting a huge burden on your manabase (and the reason I'm desperately trying to sidestep CB and Chalice by options like YP).

I just don't use either A.Decay vs Thorn or Thalia or likes, I just use it vs Miracles bye here the number of Miracles players has increased a lot and still wanting to play the deck... I will always see 2as mínimum in a torunament by here, I was luck the other day the 1st rounf in the tables my other 2 Table neighbours wre Miracles...
Also I still do use pyros in side - 2 vs patriot, RUG and maybe S&T as said are great

What you are asking is to increase the count on Decays while reducing the number of rainbow lands. Mind, that without a Gemstone Mine you have to have 3 different inital mana sources in play to support all your spells. From my own devastating experiences, I'd rather increase the number of gold lands once more to support more SB decays than doing the exact opposite.

I get up the number of Decays and I set to null the mount of Xantid. so in total 3 needed Green Sources, I do not expect to side in Pyros vs C.Balance because of the reasons previously said, so seems to me correct to a) maintain the number of AccessToGreenSources b) Use a more permanent manabase because of expecting a longer game vs miracles.

Now looks at Pyroblast and it's wide-spread application against anything ranging from Meddling Mages to Delver to CB to Clique to Shardless Agent to Show & Tell to understand why I'm fine to have that card in my sideboard even if it's not a strong training wheel option against Miracles like Decay would be and am even ok with altering my playstyle for that card. It's cheaper and on-color too, so I seeing Pyroblast as a weaker but more versatile option to battle the metagame.

, agree love pyro but not so much vs miracles, it seems as useless as vs Reanimate sometimes... Since I play now a Full DIscard list, it seems correct to just get bigger the amount of discard plus Pyro vs S&T and Reanimate Withouth Leiline, I could expect Leyline but in the form of Enchantress.

this is the idea I have vs miracles:

-1 EtW, -1I.T, -1Ponder,-1C.Mox, -1Duress = +3A.Decay, +1Tropical, +1T.Seize
I really would like to add anoter discard slot to this strategy and I'll maybe do OtP: -2nd Ponder= +1Discard and OtD: -2nd C.M = +1Discard

maybe I could put in one single pyro for more ponder or C.M., but I just don't find its needs, they are all handled by A.Decay OR discard so it could be redundant to have both pyro and Decay in hand, I could maybe substitute 1 more ponder or C.Mox for a single pyro but not the 2nd pyro

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 [THS] Thoughtseize
SB: 1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 [AL] Diminishing Returns, the other day won me a game vs Jund... maybe foryou boys that play I.T. in side use isnt worthless, for me will be a staple in TES
SB: 1 [TSP] Grapeshot
SB: 1 [ISD] Past in Flames
SB: 1 [RS] Tropical Island
SB: 1 [NE] Massacre --> having only 6 Access to Swamp I'm thinking in switching back to 0., that's another reason to increment the number of Fecthes vs gemstones, won 1 game because of this vs D&T anyway...
SB: 1 [MM] Bribery --> this card makes me to not to side out the I.T and makes the deck faster vs Reanimate and S&T... shined the other day vs a Reanimate and S&T...
SB: 3 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 [5E] Pyroblast
SB: 1 [ON] Chain of Vapor --> this will be the New CoV likely, any way for my meta I would prefer another discard effect in this slot as there is no Leylines...

[BrettF]

Congrats to AJ Kerrigan, who stormed to 13th place at today's SCG. (OP list with -1 Duress +1 Thoughtseize MD// -1 Pyroblast +1 Telemin Performance SB)

AJ if you are reading- Post a tournament report with your sideboarding strategies! :)

Please thanks and congrats!

[Bryant Cook]

I had a rough weekend (Finishing at 6-3), not an exaggeration, I lost a match to Moment's Peace. I want that f'ing card banned.

I plan on jamming the same 75 next weekend, I had some bad luck. Something I tried against Esper Deathblade and UW control was boarding out all three Chrome Moxen in favor for higher impact cards, it wasn't bad.

[wonderPreaux]

I had a rough weekend (Finishing at 6-3), not an exaggeration, I lost a match to Moment's Peace. I want that f'ing card banned.

I plan on jamming the same 75 next weekend, I had some bad luck. Something I tried against Esper Deathblade and UW control was boarding out all three Chrome Moxen in favor for higher impact cards, it wasn't bad.

Out of curiosity, how often were you using Past in Flames this tourney? It seems like boarding out Moxen and having those mainboard Cabal Rituals makes it pretty great in control matchups.

[Bryant Cook]

Out of curiosity, how often were you using Past in Flames this tourney? It seems like boarding out Moxen and having those mainboard Cabal Rituals makes it pretty great in control matchups.

I used it a handful of times. I had an insane line in my second round.

G1, lose to Detention Sphere on my tokens.
G2, I had a turn one kill going for it blind.
G3, My opponent mulled and started out with leyline of Sanctity (I didn't side in COV but I did side in Pyroblast). He tapped out turn two and I resolved Ad Nauseam (Discarding a wish to my LED), it revealed a bunch of mana and all three Infernal Tutors. I didn't have initial mana sources, so I use Infernal Tutor to find Lotus Petal, Infernal then to find LED to give me the mana next turn to flash back PiF if need be and the third Infernal Tutor to find Pyroblast. Then play Burning Wish for Empty the Warrens for about 40ish storm, it was pretty damn awesome.

[Dice_Box]

40 storm? What the hell is your record?

[Togores]

With a good Nauseam and then a pif you can easily get over 50 storm. Usualy not needed but there is it.



Question why ppl play telemin over bribery? I just think bribery is much better than telemin....

[davelin]

With a good Nauseam and then a pif you can easily get over 50 storm. Usualy not needed but there is it.



Question why ppl play telemin over bribery? I just think bribery is much better than telemin....

Telemin can cause creatureless decks to deck themselves.

[Lemnear]

With a good Nauseam and then a pif you can easily get over 50 storm. Usualy not needed but there is it.



Question why ppl play telemin over bribery? I just think bribery is much better than telemin....

Telemin is instant-win against decks like ANT, High Tide or Lands while still being able to grab Grizzel from S&T decks. Sadly the plan can backfire if High Tide runs Snapcasters, ANT boards Bobs or you only hit a Children of Korlis against TinFins. Bribery reduces the gambling and you can use it reliable against MUD or 12 post unlike Telemin.

@Storm-Record: 53 storm for me

[Togores]

Ok as i thought telemin is shitt.
You hit fearies o scm or even vendilion vs tide.
Ya ant. He can side a xantid or confi.
And vs sneak u can hit emrakul and loose to sneak attack next turn.

Bribery >>>>>telemin

[wonderPreaux]

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...p?DeckID=65917

JD Nir pointed this out to me.

Hey guys, I was looking at this list and I think it might have a bit more potential than the initial response in the thread wouldve implied. While it seems a touch clunky with maindeck tendrils, i think the idea of a maindeck Past in Flames could be worthwhile.

The sideboard Infernal Tutor is something we already adapted, so its not like this guy was necessarily that far off the mark with his build, here are some other considerations:
> It makes the sided Tutor better: One complaint about the current Cabal Ritual, sided Tutor build is that if you t2 wish -> t3 ad nauseam, you might take enough damage along the way to make it hard to go off. PiF mained means you now have an alternative t3 option. Especially relevant is that the one wish for tutor secures the whole line as your PiF flashes back the Tutor for the game-ending Wish.

> We have 25% more rituals now than when this list first came up in the thread. More rituals, especially one that are noted for making PiF lines better, make PiF... well, better. Makes sense.

> PiF isnt great to open with, but its probably less of a brick than mained Tendrils. Especially with Wish -> Tutor, you can sculpt pretty solid "ANT-style" chains and loops and the PiF you open with is just a cool storm booster.

> I dont think this makes you much worse against GY hate. G1 you probably only see DRS for GY hate, and you can overcome that just by having enough Rituals to Tutor chain so you cant be put off all your Tutors. Against more aggressive decks or decks where graveyard hate is prevalent postboard, you can simply side this out.

> Lately, TES seems to be moving towards resiliency against UWx control decks, given that PiF is great against control because it has to be countered twice and gives you alternative to faster decks that put you off Ad Nauseam, this could move the numbers up in blue matchups

The only difficulties are finding room for PiF, the prevailing cut would likely be Chrome Mox imo, and the fact that no matter what you cut you are making somewhat worse Ad Nauseams overall. Still, diversity in lines, against the decks we're metagaming to beat, seems like it improves the deck overall. Thoughts?

[HammafistRoob]

I played a game against Deathblade where he was at like 34 life from Batterskull. I was still at a healthy enough life total thanks to a few goblin tokens I had made on turn one, but he played a Stoneforge for BSkull and Brainstorm(DRS mana) into Force for my Therapy. I was able to cast AdNaus, go down to 3 life(his Shaman was tapped to play Lilly) Tendrils back up to like 25 life, cast PiF, re AdNaus, and drew my whole deck. I'm not even sure what the storm count was as I stopped tracking around 26, but it was a hell of a fun turn. (This story is from memory and might not be 100% accurate, but drawing your whole deck and casting both Tendrils and AdNaus twice in the same turn is crazy.)