Thanks, Martin.
It was nice to meet you too.
Carsten lost in the quarterfinals but wasn't mad at all.
I have a brief recap of the both tournaments for you guys.
You can find it here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...es-Top8-report
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
Now, you can read it, pal.
WantToPonder
former: Team SpasticalAction & Team RugStar Berlin
Team MTG Berlin
The Dragonstorm
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Here we go people, i hope you enjoy it.
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...s-for-everyone
I thought this might be better to adress inside the forum... Everytime I ponder new directions to further improve/explore new territories in Ant deckbuilding I try to stay open for the most crazy ideas, I browse through old cards and decklists and when it comes to fundamentals of the deckbuilding I somehow always end up staring at http://http://archive.wizards.com/Ma...d10/welcome#16as a unique point of inspiration (btw. that Do Anh deck are actually Zuzy's cards :) ... funny how Karakas tech could have teared the reanimator wide open back then...-Sensei's Divining Top was incredible all day long; I'll add another copy and 1 Sylvan Library to my sideboard to combat slow/midrange decks and decks with discard.
-Young Pyromancer was great but everyone recognized me and my pyrodude strategy. so the tech was not as good as in Annecy @ BoM9 two months ago.
- Í will also test Bitterblossom against Miracles because if it resolves they can't get rid of it in contrast to the Pyromancer.
- Vendilion Clique is also a sideboard card I want to test in the future: instant-thoughtseize + potential hatebear killer + another 3 points of damage + therapy fodder sounds pretty cool.
there is the Lim-Duls Vault + SDT inspiration of my former lists, the SDT is poor in goldfish but obv. good in real game, the question is is it worth to build around it? In the case I think you need 2 and the LDV starts to be a good card (not mean to search 1ofs in the fisrt place). Main downside of LDV obv. multiples, card disadvantage and gets PIF into a Doomsday difficulty level... Just SDT? Often slows you, often insane... Pick your opinion, in 1 copy itīs just a sometimes helpfull but unreliable cute trick... Btw try to build the mystical tutor deck and run and it against a deck of today :)
sylvan is Imo very bad choice, 4 life a card is kind of embarassing in this deck, sorcery speed, walks straight into a SP+SS, needs a turn to have impact, is green, costs 2 ... I would
Pyromancers - that were my arguments against it
Bitterblossom - bingo, you might be up to something there, worth testing, my concerns are they might actually race you, reseting the game with lets say EE especially, the tech seems soo narrow and you have to play multiples to have t1 t2 impact... Actually this hasn't crossed my mind despite knowing it in Burg lists
Clique - Tried that, dismissed it, but you might make success out of that - like the pyromancer :) I haven't truly throughly tested it just by the plain fact I don't own them... The times I had them I even played 1-2 Karakas in the board ... The problems were you want to spend your mana a lot and getting up to 3+ lands in not always an option/desirable, You make REBs live, the disruption fx is not reliable, just too cute for me I felt like having better cards to side in/ things to do in the matchups... Itīs kind of Notion Thief tech I think, only less specific but with less impact
Btw. try out Extirpate (vs. U decks) If you have not done so yet
I have been playing 2 SDT 1 preordain since a ton of time. Sidding out SDT vs fast mathups and preordian vs slow ones. And the card has seemed great for me. I was alowed to switch 2 senseis to generate storm to kill, just have a 9 cards hand or 10 cards hand when going to combo. Or just crack led for infernal to just let it get countered to get another infernal from the top. Also mvp vs a clike if u hold a bs in hand to just put your lone bussines in top.
As stated have loved to play 2 infermal.
Last month I the legacy league my opp had counterbalance and fetch on table + a bell that makes us both draw card and 5 mana. I resolved an nauseam but found no led to discard my hand to make the infernal live. So i just infernaled for sensei and he had fow on top so I dosnt mattered if he counters this I just was able to find a led thhanks to SDT + Infernal into rituals combo and win from there.
well there must be a little misunderstanding: i won't play with 2 Senseis Devining Tops in the main but with 1 main and 1-2 in the sideboard against any slow deck/decks with a ton of discard.
tops are just bad against blazing fast aggro decks like goblins merfolk and affinity (and also delver decks sometimes) because it requires a lot of mana so having 1 won't hurt.
sylvan Library was not impressive so far....
Well, Top is certainly not a new tech. I used to play 2 Tops in the side not only to have more game against discard decks in general but also to grind out the mirror. Super nice card in the end.
I would say that it is still pretty solid against Merfolk since they are not that much of the "blazing fast aggro" deck but I understand the point here.
WantToPonder
former: Team SpasticalAction & Team RugStar Berlin
Team MTG Berlin
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As a sideboard material sure, I remember Carsten mentioning it in one of his articles
I'm curious about the bitterblossom tech testing impressions, before I buy into japanese, I dont think I'll have much time for Magic this month...
Took ANT to my locals again yesterday. Didn't do as well as last time, went 2-2. I am wondering how should I be boarding against UWR Delver? That was one of my losses yesterday and I believe it's partly due to my inexperience in the matchup. Here is the list I ran yesterday for reference:
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Past in Flames
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Brainstorm
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Duress
4 Ponder
2 Preordain
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Island
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands
1 Tropical Island
SB: 2 Chain of Vapor
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
SB: 3 Xantid Swarm
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 1 Massacre
SB: 4 Young Pyromancer
What I'm not sure about is how much removal should I be siding in? I asked some friends and some suggested I side in 2-3 Abrupt Decay in addition to 1-2 chain of vapor and massacre, but it's really hard on the mana so I'm not sure. Also, should I be siding out ad nauseam? I know that's a common thing against delver decks but patriot's clock is really slow if they don't get a turn one delver so I'm more inclined to consider keeping it so that I have another storm engine to work with if my past in flames route gets shut down by rest in peace and/or (potential) grafdigger's cage.
In regards to Legacy:
If i was going to play your list i would side out preordain and senseis to pit in 2 chain and massacre. U can also put in a decay. Or dont put in the masaacre and leave a sensei there.
Today there was here in Madrid a qualifier for a game weekend in another city thats in agust, with ptq, big legacy and modern and also vintage. There will be also the artist of the criptic comand and much more. The winer of the event would get free entry to all events all the weekend long. So I just went there to play Headshot machinegun (Kai, I loved the headshot concept).
Thats the deck I signed in:
Spells:45
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Brainstorm
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
1 Preordain
2 Sensei Divining Top
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ad Nauseam
Lands:15
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
Sideboard:15
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Massacre
2 Flusterstorm
3 Xantid Swarm
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrills of agony
1 Bruning Wish
I wanted to test the flsuterstorm cause last time I was in that shop out of 6 ppl there where one ant, one tes and one sneak and show. And also playing with the 2 senseis main makes it great.
We where less than 6 ppl cause the city of the other tourney is like 600km away, its in middle of august and the hightlights are modern not the legacy event. So we where going to play 4 rounds and top 4.
R1 vs uwr blade contro.
g1 He wins cause I have ton of discart and bussines but dont draw rituals or leds. When he stonforges I make duress his batterskull. And he has a slow hand with some disruption. But just rips the vendilion and kills me in a few turns.
g2 I Nausea him turn 2 after gitaxian him
g3 I just win waiting a bit to play my discard. I put it all in hand, discarted batterskull and then when I had a strong grip I just played 2 discards and win throu spell pierce.
Side
-1 preordain
+1 tendrills
R2 ANT
All 3 games was really weird, in all 3 games I just keep playing discard but never draw cantrips, he also discards me cards and he tries to go of multiple times like pif just to make one dark rtual 2 gitaxian and so. I end up just wining.
-1 preordain
-1 swamp
+2 flusterstorm
R3 Bug control with faeries.
g1 He has DRS and nothing good. I have pif and company but zero rituals, with just 1 I win. Have lands and discard. He drop edric starts drawing a ton then on the last turn when im facing lethal I just go look with sensei see 2 rituals draw one. have 2 black lands one island. I just therapy him (was gonna name spellstuter I knew he had) he stuters me I dark ritual in response he fows it. Then I just draw with sensei the other ritual but have no balck mana to win, play a lone ponder and shuffle draw petal :D and win.
g2 he has a hand of 2 drs, lands, vendiliom, fow, snapcaster. He braisntorm lock himself, I never fetch until my last turn before wining and just win.
-1 prerodain
+1 burning
R4 Maveric
g1 Thats a thought matchup, he has game 1 thalia and tegg. I can win throu thalia but not with tegg. I starts and just headshot him turn 2 with pif.
g2 My massacre are nuts vs all his deck only not vs tegg, and if tegg is on table plus mother i have to play double removal on tegg to win. All this dosnt matter cause he mulls to 4 and just has playing +2 mother and nothing else.
-1 preordain
-2 sensei
-4 duress
+2 massacre
+2 chain
+3 decay
Im not so sure if it better to put out the nauseam and put in empty. he has zealous persecution, DRS, thalia, mother. And much more aceleration and x/2 creatures that could race empty.
Thats just weird
After wining I concede cause I would like this deck in top cause I just gonna rekill him. but he its out due to tiebreaks.
I enter first and play vs the ANT guy agaian. But I start all games.
top4 ANt
G1 I combo the turn before he was going to.
G2 I had sensei, ponder, fluster, infernal, land, petal, duress. Duress him, he has infernal, dark ritual, nauseam, 2 lands, ponder and duress. I take his duress and land a petal for fluster for if he draws a ritual and just nauseams me. I draw land play sensei, look and a few turns draw go. One turn he has infernal, 2 cabal ritual, and nauseam. I have fluser, 2 cabal, 2 ritual, and tendrills. And see he is going to cabal eot into nauseam to force my fluster and kill me with the infernal on his turn. So I just make ritual, ritual, cabal, tendrills. having still cabal and fluster up. He is now on 7 lives. He nauseams a few rituals, petals and so. Like 4-5 cards going to 2 lives. And then he goes for it. He knows my fluster but is not able to concede. He makes infernal with 8 mana up to search for pif, but my fluster is for 9 storm. And he concedes cause he didnt wanter to count before and throw the game away.
Side as before.
final
UWR blade again
g1 same guy as before this time he dosnt have nut draw, And on 4 turns or so I just go to combo passing throu vendilion, pierce, and one hard cunter. Pif is just nuts.
g2 he lands medlin naming infernal, I have decay but not a good enought hand, and then a vendilion and stoneforge finishes the deal.
g3 he has fluster, pierce and venser. I play therapy on fluster, then duress wich gets pierced I pass, and now he has 3 lands and is going to make the 4th on his next turn. he has 2 cards I dont know but my six sense says he has nothing, so i just ritual ritual led infernal crack nauseam and kill him.
+1 tendrills
+3 decay
-1 preordain
-1 led
-1 petal
-1 island
I sided this in cause between round I saw he was had meddling I thought he didnt played when I was on round 1. Because day before I saw his side and it didnt had the mages. Also decay is ok to gain time vs venilion and sfm.
So another with for the storm, since the 3 months I have come back to play ANT and TEs or so I wave won so many legacy events already, its quite cool.
Im just wishing summer ends to go t ovino and then we are going to travel 14 days to america to play there eternal weekend in Philadelfia and a scg in Boston. And most sure Im going to ANt them away via headshots round after round. Pretty excited to do.
Thanks for reading and every coment on this is welcome^^
Last edited by Togores; 07-13-2014 at 09:44 PM.
Another of the Berlin crew wrote his report with nauseam in Prague.
http://www.starcitygames.com/article...cy-Report.html
now everybody knows about the secret Tech Young Pyromancer, i'm not sure about it's effectiveness in the future.
So it s time to switch to faerie enchant
I'm worried about this too. It might be one of those things that one can return to after a while.
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Hey Berlin stormers and others,
Good job and congratulations to your finishes.
All the write ups are very interesting to read, thanks for sharing the information.
Kai, as we met at the BOM previously, my maindeck hasn't changed a single card.
My SB took some changes. Since at our LGS, there's technically nobody playing Sneaky Show and Miracles, me and my buddy decided to cut Xantid Swarm from the board entirely. Replacing the three flying insects with 2 copies of Tormod's Crypt and a singleton Warrens proves very good for the moment. There's a little Dredge on the rise over here.
On the other hand, D&T is present most of the time, so we prefer some number of DON's in the side.
Our tool of destruction for the RUG Delver match is Carpet of Flowers. I'm still figuring out if it's viable to cut a number of Cabal Rituals/Petals in favor for Carpet in the Team America match, but meh... As long as opponents don't play around Carpet of Flowers, it's absolutely insane.
The spot removal and Karakas shouldn't need explanation.
All in all, a pretty solid sideboard tailored for our meta.
If you have any input, please feel free to comment.
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Brainstorm
1 Ad Nauseam
4 Ponder
2 Preordain
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Grim Tutor
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Polluted Delta
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Island
1 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
1 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
3 Carpet of Flowers
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Chain of Vapor
3 Dread of Night
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Karakas
1 Empty the Warrens
Hi!
Last sunday i reached the top8 of the catalan league of legacy (51 players) with this list:
1 Ad Nauseam
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian probe
4 Duress
4 Infernal tutor
3 Preordain
2 Past in flames
2 Cabal therapy
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Lion's eye diamond
4 Lotus petal
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Bayou
1 Tropical island
1 Volcanic island
2 Underground sea
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Misty rainforest
4 Polluted delta
SB:
4 dread of night
3 xantid swarm
3 abrupt decay
2 chain of vapor
2 tormod's crypt
1 cabal therapy
I made a 5-1 winning against 2 death and taxes, jund, UR burn and deathblade, and i lost against a brug delver with shamans, stifles and lots of counters:(
As you can see, i'm testing a second past in flames, this are the reasons:
1. It works as a storm engine in those games where you've got lots of mana, at least 3 cantrips in the graveyard but no tutor in hand.
2. It works as a protection spell when you've got the combo in hand but no duress/therapy. (ritual, ritual, led, infernal, crack led discarding past in flames. If infernal gets countered, play the flashback of the past in flames, if not, look for a discard spell and play it).
3. It works as a cabal ritual in hands like this one: dark ritual, tutor, led, pif. Simply play the infernal for a cabal ritual, play it and then cast the flashback of the past in flames.
4. It's nuts against decks with lots of discard.
Of course, it makes our AdN a little worse and seeing 2 in hand is horrible, but well, we're running a playset of brainstorms to solve this!
I am a little curious why there is a Burning Wish in your sideboard. Do you side it in against the match ups that you expect a Meddling Mage to name Infernal Tutor?
Also, is there a reason that you're playing the Bayou over a Badlands? I guess that you're playing the Bayou because it matches up with your fetch lands a bit better, and I think that I may have answered my question about the Bayou.
Burning Wish also gives you an out against Surgical Extraction, or your Tendrils getting Exiled from the main deck.
And how did the top 8 pan out?
I'm glad more people enjoy the 2 PiF tech...
P-E and Nevilshute:
you are right, maybe it is time to give the red boy a break for a couple of weeks.
secret techs have their strongest impact on the game when nobody expect them - well the word 'secret' tech explains it by itself.
bitterblossom looks great against miracle, but really slow compared to pyromancer.you basically give your miracle opponent so many turns before he dies that he can find his 1-off entreat the angels to actually race you.
what carsten und i like the most at the moment are 3 sensei's devining tops - 1 in the maindeck and 2 additional tops in the sideboard.you have so much mana available each turn against miracle control that you can just lean back and spin the top every single turn until you have the perfect hand to crush theirs.maybe additional copies of tendrils complete this strategy although carsten dislikes it.
top is also a nice tool for the mirror game by the way, it's a little bit slow but really useful if both players cast a ton of discard spells on each other.
moreover, flusterstorm on the top makes it really hard for them to win through it.
@next big tuornaments: fortunately there will be another prague eternal tournament during november this year, i'll definately go there to defend my victory :)
ovino is also a challenge this year,who will be around?
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