If nothing else, I'd like to see modern blue based control deck that has an endgame not reliant on some sort of combo kill. I don't quite feel that UWR Midrange satisfies that niche.
Also, to argue that Modern has some kind of "identity" is pretty silly. What will that identity look like next banning?
Originally Posted by ktkenshinx
Wizards has set some pretty hard rules for Modern, which undeniably has forged an identity. The set they chose to "begin" Modern with, the fundamental winning turn, the mana per turn restriction, the limited draw spells, etc. It's very clear and apparent as to how Modern has been shaped to be a different format from Legacy. Do you even play Modern competitively?
No, but if you read my first post, you'd know that. My points haven't exactly been something only a dedicated modern player could have an opinion on. I opened with "feel free to correct me." You don't need to get your knickers in a bunch. :p
So you're one of those people who posts on forums because you like trolling and that's pretty much it. If you ask something or say "feel free to correct me" you should expect people to correct you. That isn't getting someone's knickers in a bunch (emoticon that only shows douchebaggery), it's correcting your terrible idea of unbanning everything.
Mono U Tron? Sort of.
I'm not trolling in the slightest. I used that emoticon to convey lightheartedness, not whatever you're reading into it.
Everything you said sounds terrible. Jace is the most broken card that has been printed in the Modern format. You basically said "I don't know what I'm talking about but...".
Also: Thopter Foundry isn't banned. If you meant Sword of the Meek, then I laugh in your general direction. Some cards are too powerful, and this is one of them. It cheats on mana, and generates more card advantage than any other card in the format right now. Purely as a CA engine, it is better than Jace, and the combo is actively better than Jace in every way, other than it costs more mana and is more than one card.
Unban Golgari Grave-Troll, that card doesn't do anything. Dredge might even see play. Without Dread Return, Ichorid, and Cabal Therapy the deck isn't even powerful when it does go off.
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How can you "laugh in (someone's) general direction" and then proceed to say that Sword of the meek is better than Jace?
Can we just get preordain back? sleight of hand is so bad. thats all i really want.
and/or point me to the page where the preordain argument is made
Dread Return is the big one, the deck can be powerful without ichorid and therapy. Extended dredge didn't play them and it could go off turn 3-4 with incredible consistency. Dread return onto a fkz was gg. The deck could exist without ggt but be super powerful with dr alone.
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I still have never read/heard a well reasoned argument as to why Modern should have Jace, Stoneforge Mystic, Glimpse, Dredge pieces, Ponder, etc unbanned. The vast majority of the people calling for such unbannings are Legacy players, which is puzzling, as there already is a format where you can play with all of those cards, and more, in competitive decks... it's called "Legacy".
Legacy has no "expiration date" though, and it can be a dumping ground for problem commander cards. In Legacy, there are a couple dozen decks you should keep on your radar, and a couple dozen more as you delve into tier 2 decks. Modern having that kind of breadth as a format, with the slow rotation of cards that encourages adaptation and prevents dead-ending of card-selection could be pretty intriguing. IDK a ton about modern, but just conceptually one thing I wish all formats could take from legacy is the variety of "viable"/"decent" decks.
Modern has a significantly smaller card pool than Legacy does. There is no way that Modern would ever be able to come close/match Legacy's deck potential because Modern's card pool simply can't support it.
I mean, god forbid someone who is a legacy player also want to play modern and improve the format by suggesting unbanning things that are probably fine
Sure, there are probably a couple cards that could come off the Banned list in Modern, just like there are in Legacy, but if that's what's holding people back from playing Modern, then don't? I mean, it would be like if a Vintage-only player came on here and started talking about what Legacy should/shouldn't be, what cards should/shouldn't be on the Legacy Banned list, etc. If that player wants to play with Vintage cards... then play Vintage.
The difference is that legacy has had a much longer time tto figure out what works and what doesn't. Modern has a few cards that, while strong, have very strong arguments to being legal. Plus it has already been proven that they were wrong about stuff like Nacatl and Valakut.
This has got to be the worst logic I have ever seen.
I don't know who came up with this first, but I like the theory that they do this on purpose, so that they can "shake the jar" if they feel like the format is stale.
Legacy is a diverse format. You have 3-4 established tier 1 decks, some highly competitive tier 1.5 decks and a shitload of semi competitive tier 2 decks. Modern is not diverse, modern is a confusional wild bunch of weird decks, and some tier 1.5 decks. You might think that not having tiers 1 in a format would be a good reason for calling that format diverse; but it's not. It's a good reason for calling that format a fucking mess. I say they should unban a lot of things, except the most degenerate ones such as Deathrite (because it is an automatic 4of in any deck, even burn was splashing black for it, obviously the reason was not bump in the night) or controversial ones such as Top. They should probably turn modern more into a ''legacy lite'' style.
The reason is that if you have strong (not broken, just the stronger modern-unbanwhorty-tools legacy has to offer) the format becomes more competitive, because less strategies become viable due to the presence of ''police cards'' that punish bad decks. Stoneforge could be an example.
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Modern definitely has similar tiers, in that there's a tier 1, tier 1.5, then a swath of tier 2/3 decks. I really don't know what you're talking about when you say that Modern is nothing but "confusional, weird decks".
And you're advocating for "less strategies"?!? I thought the common complaint about Modern is that there aren't enough strategies, but you would have them unban cards to foster an environment where there are "less strategies"? Wow.
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