[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[Togores]

I play usualy 1-2 masacre on the board depending on the meta i expect. And vs for example death and taxes i somt side out the nauseam and side in both masacre. Even if i flip them with nausea
I can stop at am healthy Amount of life. Keep and good grip and on the bext turn with all my lands untaped i can masacre them again and just win.

[Togores]

This is Todd anderson Death blade deck from this weks scg.
Scg is really pushing the archtype and its a cool deck making good results.

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=72096


They play counters, deathrite, discard, vendilion, and medling mage on board.

What side would we do vs them?
Chains? Decay? Carpets?

A likely sideboard plan would be great^^

[CabalTherapy]

This is Todd anderson Death blade deck from this weks scg.
Scg is really pushing the archtype and its a cool deck making good results.

They play counters, deathrite, discard, vendilion, and medling mage on board.

What side would we do vs them?
Chains? Decay? Carpets?

A likely sideboard plan would be great^^

It's true they play diverse hate, but in a limited amount, especially preboard. Also, they do not have a fast clock and a lot of blanks against us.
Since, they have at least 3 Wastelands, I wouldn't board Decay in and preferably stay on-color. Chains sound plausible and Sensei's D Top if you have some in the board. But I know that your run them main, so I can spare time on that. And, don't forget that Massacre kills everything they can play, as far as I can image Esper Deathblade correctly.

[Togores]

Sorry forgor to post the list. Already edited.

Yeah masacre seems a fine card allong with the chain. i like this aproach.
Thanks!

[JamieW89]

Yeah Massacre wrecks them too, and they never really suspect it (although them having discard effects can allow them to sometimes play around it). I've been on at least 2 Massacre for half a year and am happy with them. It's a bit awkward to want to keep in Empty against Stoneforge decks (Massacre is strong vs UWR, Deathblade, Maverick and Death & Taxes which all play Batterskull), although AdNing to low life and then playing Massacre to setup for next turn can be fine too, so have AdN over EtW in this MU because of the discard. Chain is a fine card too, for storm count, buying time (bouncing germs f.e.) or solving a problem like a hatebear.
Dark Confidant is another decent card versus Deathblade if anyone still plays that.
A single Needle isn't too bad in the matchup, to stop Shaman, Lilly, Waste or even a Jace that's threatening to win (or stoneforge after/during a quick EtW?).
Flusterstorm/Divert are okay if they play 7-8 discard spells, but I don't like them in this matchup.

Carpet of Flowers seems weak unless they play a large amount of taxing counters (Like 10 combined of Daze, Pierce, Flusterstorm, Stifle counts as 1/2 or so) which they usually do not.
Xantid Swarm, while insane versus the counter heavy UW Blade lists, is quite weak here imo.

Myself I board something like this:
+2 Massacre
+1 Chain
+1 Needle
+1 AdN (although I sometimes like to keep EtW, especially if I feel they board out SFM's, which they cut/shave after ~5 removal + Jitte )
+up to 2 SDT (I play 1 MD 0 SB now, but would board 2 in if I played 0/2 versus discard heavy lists)
-1 EtW (When I board in AdN)
-Stuff (The usual shaving. Probably 1-2 discard spells unless I suspect more counters than usual, 1 cabal rit can go. Would rather keep Preordain vs more discard but if only 3-4 then those can go. 1 Probe is shaveable etc)

[Dr Brian Pepper]

Young Pyromancer was not been that awesome agasint miracles as I wanted, what are some good replacements?

[Higgs]

I am thinking about trying Divining Top against Miracles. What I've found is the postboard games always go long and you struggle to find that last Abrupt Decay after you've reached critical mass or fall prey to that turn 10 Clique when you wished you could float the Infernal on top of your library.

[Hivenet]

Hi this is my first post so sorry if I get anything wrong. I have been reading this section for about a year but I am finally heading to my first proper tournament.

I am taking roughly this list to a small legacy tournament (around 18 people most of whom I know) but am not sure what tweaks I should make as with such a small group of decks I feel certain changes can be made, I have tested online a lot but haven't really been able to practise to the extent I know what to board against the more obscure decks. Would someone be able to advise me on any tuning, likely mostly for the sideboard. The tournament will be only a few rounds but will have 2-4 separate events. Please see my list below:

Main Deck:

4 Polluted delta
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands
2 Island
1 Swamp

4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual

4 Infernal Tutor
1 Lim-Dul's Vault

1 Past in Flames
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Tendrils of Agony

4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Preordain
1 Sensei's Divining Top

3 Duress
4 Cabal therapy

Sideboard:

1 Tropical Island (Should this be main now removing either an Island or the Badlands, I often find Badlands pretty useless)
1 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Flusterstorm
2 Dread of night
2 Massacre (Maybe 1?)
2 Chain of Vapor (Maybe 3?)
2 Xantid Swarm (Maybe 3?)
3 Abrupt Decay

The decks i know of that will be there out of around total 15-18 are:

1x BUG Delver
1x Death and Taxes
1x MUD
1x Pox
1x Nic Fit (BUG)
1x Painter Grindstone
1x Esper Blade
1x Enchantress
1-2x Reanimator
2x Elves
2x Miracles

Should I maybe put empty in the main in case of Leyline from Enchantress or would a main decked chain be good vs MUD, Enchantress, Reanimator and Painter?

Also since I have a high chance of facing MUD would boarding a Hurkyl's Recall be appropriate or is there a better one of? I have played against most of these decks a lot and have a winning record against pretty much all of them (beat Pox 8 games in a row before we stopped) but I don't know if I have ever beaten MUD. Should I just hope he dies to Delver/Esper blade/Pox and fade it or is it worth it for a one of?

Since it's a friendly tournament I will try and post a report afterwards but its still a few weeks or so off.

Thanks in advance :)

[JamieW89]

I would play 2 green duals main, you want to board 3 Decays versus wasteland decks. For this I'd cut Island#2 and Badlands.
I don't like Lim-Dul's Vault (each time I try it dissapoints), but I assume you have no Grim Tutor to replace it with, maybe a second Preordain is better.
I think I'd play Ad Nauseam main and Empty side (or not at all).
I'd consider boarding 2 Hurkyl's Recall, it's solid versus Painter, DnT (Canonist+Revoker+Vial), MUD. MUD will still be negative probably, but you might just win.
I also like Needle in that metagame, for Painter and Miracles mainly.

SB:
3 Abrupt Decay (DnT,MUD,Painter,Miracles,Enchantress maybe?)
2 Chain of Vapor (Elves,DnT,MUD,Enchantress,Reanimate etc, 1-2 vs Blade if hatebears)
2 Hurkyl's Recall (DnT,MUD,Painter)
2 Xantid Swarm (Miracles,Reanimate)
2 Flusterstorm (BUG,Pox,Esper Blade/reanimate maybe, possibly Elves on the play)
2 Pithing Needle (on SDT vs Miracles, on combo vs Painter, perhaps on Griseldaddy vs Reanimate)
1 Karakas (for DnT, Reanimator & maybe Elves)
1 Open Slot (could be SDT#2 but makes the needles a bit worse, could be Empty, could be more of the previous etc.)

[Jin Gitaxias]

I agree with Jamie, but i would turn the remaining open slot into the 3rd swarm and board it in vs miracles, because you really want it before they reanimate a griselbrand (if they get iona you are dead game 1 no matter what). I would not board in flusterstorms, because it makes you too slow.

[Sloshthedark]

Unlike Jamie I kind of like LDV along SDT (but the deck gets way harder to play optimaly )

so
A, I'd cut Preordain for another SDT, weakens Pithing Needle sideboard which is great for the meta imo, -Island, -Badlands, +Trop +Bayou
B, my personal choice +EtW -AN , -SDT +PIF, -Island +fetch
C, just the 2 G land switch

SB - I like what Jamie proposed - I'd not be afraid to cut 2 XS in that (this way you could even -Badlands +Trop, -Island +fetch) for Needle plan +EtW (I like that vs. MUD, D+T) ... and if you're bold slot X could be Pernicious Deed (or 2 without EtW)... also Extirpate or Massacre can be that slot

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[I][I]
SB:
3 Abrupt Decay (DnT,MUD,Painter,Miracles,Enchantress maybe? (do not like much))
2 Chain of Vapor (Elves,DnT,MUD,Enchantress,Reanimate etc, 1-2 vs Blade if hatebears)
2 Hurkyl's Recall (DnT,MUD,Painter)
2 Flusterstorm (BUG,Pox,Esper Blade/reanimate maybe, possibly Elves on the play (sounds weird but maybe))
3 Pithing Needle (3x on SDT vs Miracles, 3x on combo vs Painter, 3x Griseldaddy, 2-3x Enchantress (Sterling Grove), 2x Elves no sb Flusterstorm )
1 Karakas (for DnT, Reanimator & Elves)

1 Pernicious Deed (MUD, Enchantress, Painter, Miracles)
1 Empty the Warrens (possibly everything :D ) or open

2 Xantid Swarm (Miracles,Reanimate)

[Togores]

Every time that i have played lim duls vault in a deck, cefalid breakfast and nauseam. I found the card really bad. Before ldv i would play grim tutor or burning wish. And also think both are not good enought. So i would just go without.
Its the worst to draw a ldv turn before loosing and not being able to get the card directly. Also paying 2 mana for pure card disadvantage is shitt. I rather pay 3 and doomsday me the perfect win.

[Hivenet]

I have used EtW in modern but havent really touched it with this deck, in what match ups should i look to play it g1 and when should I board it (Sorry EtW noob). The idea of 2 past in flames in a meta with very few deathrites sounds interesting especially since elves is already a good matchup.

I do really like LDV especially with SDT and the fact opponents tend not to value it correctly. I was thinking maybe replace the badlands with a trop main but im not sure about the bayou, the second island has been great vs wasteland and blood moon so I may keep that in.

Karakas seems fantastic, can replace the boarded trop with that. Pithing needle great, is nice against DnT and means I dont need DoN.

So really im just undecided on the empty. Any further information?

Thanks :)

[nevilshute]

I have used EtW in modern but havent really touched it with this deck, in what match ups should i look to play it g1 and when should I board it (Sorry EtW noob). The idea of 2 past in flames in a meta with very few deathrites sounds interesting especially since elves is already a good matchup.

I do really like LDV especially with SDT and the fact opponents tend not to value it correctly. I was thinking maybe replace the badlands with a trop main but im not sure about the bayou, the second island has been great vs wasteland and blood moon so I may keep that in.

Karakas seems fantastic, can replace the boarded trop with that. Pithing needle great, is nice against DnT and means I dont need DoN.

So really im just undecided on the empty. Any further information?

Thanks :)

Empty the Warrens is primarily strong against RUG Delver and similar tempo strategies. It is also good against BUG Delver for instance. If you resolve 10-12 goblins on turn 1-2 against RUG Delver they're dead in like 9/10 cases. Often, 8 Goblins is enough on turn 1, at least on the play.

Empty is conditionally also very strong against many other strategies while only being decidedly weak against other combo decks. Some people won't play Empty against decks with Stoneforge Mystic which is fair, but I still like it in some of those matchups. You can often power out a 10-12 empty before stoneforge becomes relevant or you can clear the way with a Cabal Therapy that can now be flashbacked.

[Ricca84]

ok time to crazy ideas..

https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/Produ...bliterator.jpg

Maybe vs deck that attack us from too many angles, we can try a little trasformational side with this card.
For example vs BUG Control / team America this is a good stuff ( only liliana can kill him)

For sure it's only an idea, do you think could be insane... or insane is only my brain :D ?

[wonderPreaux]

ok time to crazy ideas..

https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/Produ...bliterator.jpg

Maybe vs deck that attack us from too many angles, we can try a little trasformational side with this card.
For example vs BUG Control / team America this is a good stuff ( only liliana can kill him)

For sure it's only an idea, do you think could be insane... or insane is only my brain :D ?

against BUG, one of the big issues is discard, and being at 4 mana means that this often wouldn't be appearing until the opponent has at least had the chance to thoughtseize. shardless has strix/maelstrom pulse (arguably toxic deluge) to deal with this, and delver has daze to make it awkward to cast, so both variants can give you trouble. i think, if you want a man-plan, the pyromancer would likely be better, as your discard can pivot to go after -1/-1 effects and you can just pressure them to the point where their discard and taxing counters arent as good.

[Togores]

The good thing is that obliterator can be casted from a ritual and a land but if they force is still 2x2 cause is strange to cast it from 4 lands. I think if i would like to test a 4cc guy if would be talrand.
Making like with 3 landa dark ritual. Dures. Tallrand. Or talrand and beeing able to pay for daze seems huge. But stil a 4cc card...
The this that sharless plays strix and deluge should not be a problem. I would see more a problem for obliterator a jace or liliana.

[Sloshthedark]

if you aim for manplan just 4 Obliterators is not enough, outside of planeswalkers you can simply get raced so Obliterator often translates into "your Goyfs cannot attack until I'm dead"...you need plan like this http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=14458&iddeck=106776 maybe feat. Tombstalker... and obv. you face the same "tech" problem once it is known the plan gets significantly worse.... but time to time this could work well... I've some foil Talrands ordered just to test them, but I don't even bother to get them asian, same with the other manplans, it's just to fragile and I don't play Storm for creature beatdown...

[Surfinbird]

talking about manplans... what about pack rats?

[Sloshthedark]

talking about manplans... what about pack rats?

maybe without the "discard a card" and lower activation, seems too all-in, low impact and requires too many resources to get reasonable size to not be too fragile