Miracle Control

[Cipher]

People run Boseju in Omnitell?

[Bobmans]

People run Boseju in Omnitell?

With all those UR(W)(B) not running Wasteland including Miracles makes Boseiju more reliable then Defense Grid. Also i would like to be paired against Miracles anyday. Not completely a buy, but its not hard to beat either.

[Achamian]

Miracles certainly does not just lose to Boseiju. Sure, you get to resolve an uncounterable Show and Tell. Unless the card you put into play is Greslebrand, in which case OmniTell does not run, Miracles is well equipped to fight whatever permanent or spell you try to play next. Not everyone has ditched Karakas on the Miracles side.

The problem is Miracles' threat density. If Miracles allows OmniTell to sculpt a perfect hand, not putting threats onto the board, even CB is not enough sometimes.

I'm not sure Miracles is well equipped to fight Emrakul off of Omniscience. Karakas (most players do not play this anymore, especially in my austrian legacy scene, where pretty much everyone is running Phillips lists more or less, and even if they do it's only a 1-off) does nothing unless you also have a REB in response to casting Emrakul _and_ some additional number of protection against Wishes, Digs or my own counterspells at the same time.

[Lans89]

Mono blue and UB Omnitel have more tools to deal with Counterbalance. For the URb Omntitell deck, with an incredible amount of top performances at the last SCG btw (almost identical lists), Miracles is a lot harder to beat. No room voor Boseiju (and often no room for a copy of Dream Halls), no instant speed answers and no Wipe Away (or Trickbind).

Besides that, the meta currently looks very hostile against Omnitel, on paper.. But I can tell you by experience that it's actually very good right now! Dig Through Time is an inredible boost, and very easy to cast! In the past, discard and Liliana were a nightmare for Omnitell (which even had to pack white Leylines to fight it), but now discard is almost completely gone. The popular UR lists are easy to beat. However, once they pack Therapy's in the board it al becomes pretty rough ^^!

But now back to Miracles!

I join the -3th Jace +1 DTT for now . But honestly, I didn't like it as much during testing as I thought I would...

Phillip, thanks for the article! I will like it in a min, to get more content like that! And I hope we'll see it sooner next time!

PS: It's very sad that there won't be a BoM in Annecy this may =(! It is always an awesome tournament.. Last time I top 8'd Vintage and finished 27th in Legacy. I played 7-1-2 with Miracles, and would love to play it again by your side ^_^! But maybe in the second half of 2015! And I'll do my best to go to either Prague or Milan. Lille is a certainty ofc ;)! Miracles ftw!

[Kyle]

Meta-ing against one deck isn't always the best idea, but there's probably no(t much) harm in running one or two Wastelands for problem lands like Boseiju, or maybe it's time for Blood Moon to join the fun again.

[death]

Omnitell is not even a deck.

But today, it's a Deck-to-Beat.

[rancOr_]

Omnitell is a good match up. Worst case scenario they go Boseju into SxT omniscience but even then U can respond with REB/Pyro on omniscience when they play a spell.

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Then they in response you with a free brainstorm into a free hardcast force and suddenly you are out of ideas, and also probably dead.

From my phone. I do my best, dammit!

[death]

Nah.. no way they can do that

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Way.

From my phone. I do my best, dammit!

[twndomn]

I'm not sure Miracles is well equipped to fight Emrakul off of Omniscience. Karakas (most players do not play this anymore, especially in my austrian legacy scene, where pretty much everyone is running Phillips lists more or less, and even if they do it's only a 1-off) does nothing unless you also have a REB in response to casting Emrakul _and_ some additional number of protection against Wishes, Digs or my own counterspells at the same time.

Some Omnitell player tries to "ambush" you with turn 2 Show and Tell into Emrakul. The logic is that it's low-risk-high-reward when you don't have all the combo pieces. Karakas discourages that path. If Omniscience's involved, it's a totally different animal.

Omnitell turn 2 Show and Tell:
you put down Karakas
Omnitell puts down Emarakul
That's huge for Miracle.

Omnitell turn 3 Show and Tell:
you put down Karakas
Omnitell puts down Omniscience.
Now, this is where it gets tricky. If Omnitell puts down Emrakul as the 1st spell after an Omni's on the board, it's pretty much over. However, sometimes Omnitell player likes to just rush to get Omni onto the board. Say Omnitell player doesn't have any more Ponder/Brainstorm after and Miracles player gets to live another turn. Miracles then can cast Clique on Omnitell player's draw step when it's Omni's turn again. Miracles player then can attack for 3 and then bounce-recast Clique on Omnitell player's every draw step after that, which is why I made the comment that Karakas and Clique are very important.

[Hrothgar]

Clique is great vs all the combo...but the real problem is the speed of the Omnitell.

Bosejiu come into play tapped, and this is great for us...
On the play we have 4 turns for search Clique and 3 lands...in this way we can cast Clique in resp of Show and Tell.
On the draw it's different because we have 1 turn minus.

[YamiJoey]

Surely the correct line is to just Red Blast their Shows and Halls? Then they just can't play Magic. No-one is winning a counterwar against us when they are two mana down on the first Spell.

[aex]

With the soon to be inclusion or the new monastery mentor perhaps it may be time for the resurgence of moat? Here's the list i'm thinking of running.

http://deckbox.org/sets/860509

Regards!

[rancOr_]

If there is one deck that doesnt care alot about Mentor its Miracles , the match up will play the same like UR Delver.

[aex]

What about it's inclusion in more midrange decks like stoneblade? Do you think that will increase their popularity? And if so, isn't moat a good card against those strategies?

[Secretly.A.Bee]

I think as long as Delver is a popular choice, Engineered Explosives will continue to be better in a token - infested meta.

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[Poron]

oh that's sure. EE is such the next meta sweeper that I'm thinking about 1 Academy Ruins MD or SB

[Hrothgar]

I have sell 2 Moat last week because after 6 months of test i don't have a good response from this sideboard cards in this meta.
Moat is a good card vs tribal (merfolks, goblin, elves) and mid range like deathblade and jund but and I have good results vs this deck..but...at the end...I always preferred other cards for my 15...

In the specific, imho, Humility work better than Moat because, for the same casting cost, resolve more problems (activated and trigger ability)

[twndomn]

I have sell 2 Moat last week because after 6 months of test i don't have a good response from this sideboard cards in this meta.
Moat is a good card vs tribal (merfolks, goblin, elves) and mid range like deathblade and jund but and I have good results vs this deck..but...at the end...I always preferred other cards for my 15...

In the specific, imho, Humility work better than Moat because, for the same casting cost, resolve more problems (activated and trigger ability)

Moat is not even good against tribal. Merfolk can bounce it. Goblin can seige-gang; if they splash White, certainly can wear//tear, elves just gsz for sage. That's not to mention DnT and Goblin run ports to tap down your White mana.

aex, moat was never good and with the new set there's no resurgence of Moat. The thread is about Miracles. If you cling onto the idea of Moat, build another deck around it.