All B/R update speculation.

[aCatNamedBootsy]

With mainlist Diabolic Edict's? I am thinking that BUG gained with TC going away and lost with WGD coming back. You *must* have a way to remove a creature at instant speed now. Not a little creature, a big creature. Diabolic Edict meets the test but you can't cast it on the draw on your opponent's turn 2.

Abrupt Decay is a pretty good answer to Animate Dead and Deathrite Shaman is also an answer to an in-grave WGD.

[Gunseng]

I think you can also use Abrupt Decay to destroy Animate Dead in response to Dragons comes-into-play-trigger.

Edit: Too slow.

[Nielsie]

Did anyone notice that WotC once more executed their usual "prisoner exchange" for the Eternal formats? Everytime a card gets banned, another random card gets off the list.

I'm not sure Gorger does anything or anything positive for the format

Yup and they did this for every format. WGD still feels so random.

[ryscott85]

How the fuck can you justify banning TC instead of Brainstorm. Can someone please try and justify that for me.

Because of the sheer number of U/R delver decks being played, the increase in combo decks, and the almost complete invalidation of discard strategies. Black and green were severely unrepresented.. Just my two cents.

[Dice_Box]

Did anyone notice that WotC once more executed their usual "prisoner exchange" for the Eternal formats? Everytime a card gets banned, another random card gets off the list.

I'm not sure Gorger does anything or anything positive for the format

The cynic in me thinks that Wizards likely thought it was safe years ago and left it untouched for just such a moment.

Edit: 140 people reading this thread? Wow.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

First, I think unbanning Worldgorger is a great step. While it seems innocuous, I think it's a great move to at least pretend to show an interest in taking off the random nonsense on the list.

I'm not sure, WGD remains to be a logistical nightmare, except that nobody will play it, as it's always better to simply win with gRisly. But the mere possibility seems strange.
IDK, weird change. I'd expect Earthcraft and (to a lesser extent) either Black Vise or Mind Twist. However the latter doesn't seem possible anymore, now when TC left the format.

Really, I'd love to see Earthcraft of the list. Survival is maybe far too dangerous, but Earthcraft is a card that would allow some seriously distinct archetype or at least make Tress tier1.

edit: Now when I sent the post I realized that you like the WotC's "move to at least pretend to show an interest in taking off the random nonsense on the list". 100% agreed.

[FoolofaTook]

Can't tell if you're joking. You realize that Abrupt Decay is the best answer to Dragon, right? It's a large reason why not one even plays it in Vintage now. You almost never want to remove the Dragon itself.

Vintage has much faster mana than Legacy. It's very possible to be in position to Abrupt Decay your opponent's play on the draw on his turn 2. Misdirection doesn't work in Legacy because there will never be another eligible target for you to misdirect the decay too but you're still going to have the EoT Entomb WGD and then T2 Animate it issue.

[Barook]

Did anyone notice that WotC once more executed their usual "prisoner exchange" for the Eternal formats? Everytime a card gets banned, another random card gets off the list.

I'm not sure Gorger does anything or anything positive for the format

Yep, and I think it's a terrible model with an ever increasing card pool. The purpose of the banned list is to ensure a healthy meta, not a consistent length of the list itself.

I don't think Gorger is going to be much trouble. Many lists could afford to run Grafdigger's Cage in their board and it hoses Elves, too. There's also RiP, DRS, AD and lots of other quality hate out there.

[hobart]

Even though WOTC are dumb they are smart enough to realize that Treasure Cruise was a big mistake for Eternal formats and I believe it will be banned in Modern, banned in Legacy, and restricted in Vintage. Who wants to give me some odds for a bet?

Wow, I could work for these assholes. And I am HAPPY with the change. I loved casting multiple ancestrals in a 1.5 game of Magic, but anyone with experience in the format could see that it was unfair and over powered. Yes, brainstorm is more popular, but this is not a popularity contest! This is about POWER level, not PLAYABILITY. Brainstorm fixes your draws, but TC breaks the game open.

As for the Worldgorger change, it seems pretty retarded but ultimately irrelevant. An animated Grizzlebrand is far scarier than infinite mana since it's a wincon itself, but hey more annoying draws so that's what we needed right?

[H]

Vintage has much faster mana than Legacy. It's very possible to be in position to Abrupt Decay your opponent's play on the draw on his turn 2. Misdirection doesn't work in Legacy because there will never be another eligible target for you to misdirect the decay too but you're still going to have the EoT Entomb WGD and then T2 Animate it issue.

You still have Deathrite, discard and counter-magic. If they have the nut hand, you'll lose, but how is that different than Reanimator right now?

[Star|Scream]

You still have Deathrite, discard and counter-magic. If they have the nut hand, you'll lose, but how is that different than Reanimator right now?

This. Not sure if OP even plays the format?

[Einherjer]

I'm as happy as I could be.

Greetings

[sdematt]

Holy fuck. Worldgorger!

[Pastorofmuppets]

TC will never see play when it rotates, what am I going to do with my 12 copies now?

[H]

Holy fuck. Worldgorger!

That was pretty much my initial thought too. It's so dumb to be on the list that I often forgot it was even on there.

Commence to gorging worlds boys!

Predictions on actual impact? I am almost certain the Dragon will see almost no real play though, the combo is too fragile now.

TC will never see play when it rotates, what am I going to do with my 12 copies now?

Make 12 Vintage decks,

[sdematt]

Dragon is sweet hot garbage, but how else will i put my Oonas to use?

[nedleeds]

Dragon is awful. A graveyard combo that also gets boned by stifle, abrupt decay, and possibly true believer effects. So Wizards rewound the clock to

R/Bug, Miracles, Elves, and Griselderp / Show and Derp combo. What a shake up.

Oh well, the next announcement is a little shorter turn around time (~7 weeks?). Enjoy your 80% brainstorm format, may all your brainstorms be perfect ones!

[Admiral_Arzar]

I've become so cynical about the management of this format, I expected "No Changes." TC being gone is something, should make things a little more interesting again. I was hoping for Delver to get the axe, but at least one overpowered blue card is out. Dragon was definitely NOT the first unban I expected, and now I'm annoyed I never finished my Japanese playset of the card...that shit's hard to find even though it was cheap. I doubt it will make much impact though, the combo is as fragile as something like Cephalid Breakfast or Protean Hulk.dec, and we haven't seen either of those for a very long time. At least it gives us combo players something fun to play around with that's unlikely to break the format or otherwise cause problems.

[Adryan]

Dragon is awful. A graveyard combo that also gets boned by stifle, abrupt decay, and possibly true believer effects. So Wizards rewound the clock to

R/Bug, Miracles, Elves, and Griselderp / Show and Derp combo. What a shake up.

Oh well, the next announcement is a little shorter turn around time (~7 weeks?). Enjoy your 80% brainstorm format, may all your brainstorms be perfect ones!

Don't forget to argue for a Brainstorm ban 2 weeks before the next anouncement.

[Lemnear]

Dragon is sweet hot garbage, but how else will i put my Oonas to use?

T1: Underground Sea, Entomb
T2: Nephalia Drownyard, Animate Dead -> go infinite -> kill your deck until you dump Oona -> target Oona -> femove opposing Library for an Army of Faries