[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[CabalTherapy]

We DTB again boys :)

Unfortunately, that's nothing to be happy about.

[nevilshute]

Unfortunately, that's nothing to be happy about.

I guess who cares? At no point is storm not on the radar. It can be slumming it for a year out of the DTB-limelight and people are still packing 4-8 pieces of hate to combat it. Partly because no one likes losing to storm, partly because the hate vs other combo decks overlaps. So really, who cares. People are now more, what, "aware"? Does that make them better at playing against it? I don't think it does. I frown at the emo "don't you see, it's better to not be a DTB" sentiment. The DTB-concept and the concept of tiers is a contruction anyway and doesn't reflect the truth

Let's not be so dramatic.

[CabalTherapy]

I guess who cares? At no point is storm not on the radar. It can be slumming it for a year out of the DTB-limelight and people are still packing 4-8 pieces of hate to combat it. Partly because no one likes losing to storm, partly because the hate vs other combo decks overlaps. So really, who cares. People are now more, what, "aware"? Does that make them better at playing against it? I don't think it does. I frown at the emo "don't you see, it's better to not be a DTB" sentiment. The DTB-concept and the concept of tiers is a contruction anyway and doesn't reflect the truth

Let's not be so dramatic.

You're right.
In addition, I always wonder why Delverdecks are DTB.

[Jonathan Alexander]

I guess who cares? At no point is storm not on the radar. It can be slumming it for a year out of the DTB-limelight and people are still packing 4-8 pieces of hate to combat it. Partly because no one likes losing to storm, partly because the hate vs other combo decks overlaps. So really, who cares. People are now more, what, "aware"? Does that make them better at playing against it? I don't think it does. I frown at the emo "don't you see, it's better to not be a DTB" sentiment. The DTB-concept and the concept of tiers is a contruction anyway and doesn't reflect the truth

Let's not be so dramatic.

It's worse for the deck if bad players are aware than if good players are aware.
Also, have you seen decklists from Eternal Weekend? The metagame was so so soft to Storm.

[rw1347]

It's worse for the deck if bad players are aware than if good players are aware.
Also, have you seen decklists from Eternal Weekend? The metagame was so so soft to Storm.

The top 8 was weak to storm, but there was a massive amount of death and taxes, which I feel is one of the hardest match ups.

[bjholmes3]

I don't know who thought Wingmare would be a fun addition to Magic...

[nevilshute]

The top 8 was weak to storm, but there was a massive amount of death and taxes, which I feel is one of the hardest match ups.

Wait what? D&T wants to basically avoid storm if possible

[iatee]

D+T vs storm often feels like a coin flip (to extent that the actual die roll can determine many matches.) As a D+T player it's not pleasant because you know that a certain % of matches will be entirely out of your control. But it's still not a bad matchup compared to some other combo decks, and a decent D+T hand on the play will generally crush a slow (i.e. not t1/t2) storm hand. ANT is also easier to deal w/ than TES.

[rw1347]

I feel like while death and taxes doesn't enjoy playing storm, it is still a tough match up and is a massive coin flip game. Multiple horse Thalia's aren't any fun.

[Jonathan Alexander]

[rw1347]

This is true. Sadly just had to draw them haha.

[bjholmes3]

Play all the three so you can go "DoN DoN DooooooooooooN!"

[davelin]

Looks like a pretty good Storm pilot was able to top 8 recently using a list with 2 Dark Petitions. Anyone else having success with DP?

[bjholmes3]

Looks like a pretty good Storm pilot was able to top 8 recently using a list with 2 Dark Petitions. Anyone else having success with DP?

Pros:

- Reasonable secondary condition
- More flexible than Infernal Tutor
- Net cost of only 2 mana
- Kinda synergizes with LED if you have dead spells in hand
- Safe to resolve, doesn't threaten your life total or throw away your hand

Cons:

- Adds to already existing vulnerability to DRS and other grave hate
- 5 mana is a lot.

I'm not a fan, but it's fine for people who enjoy more tutors. I feel like this replaces Grim for the people who used to enjoy that, but meh.

[Dr_D]

Looks like a pretty good Storm pilot was able to top 8 recently using a list with 2 Dark Petitions. Anyone else having success with DP?

I'm running one, you can look at my list in my report a few pages back. I've liked it so far in my build.

[davelin]

I'm running one, you can look at my list in my report a few pages back. I've liked it so far in my build.

How did it perform over Eternal Weekend?

[Dr_D]

How did it perform over Eternal Weekend?

I ended up going 6-5, but I'd attribute that to me rather than the list as it was my first big event. Dark petition was good whenever I drew it and actually allowed me a kill where I was tight on mana and grim tutor wouldn't have gotten me there. I have still yet to be screwed by the high initial mana cost. Only thing I'm changing in the list is adding a second chain in place of the rebuild.

[Jonathan Alexander]

This is probably an unpopular opinion in this thread, but I think Storm is not the greatest choice for most tournaments right now. I'm lining out some of the problems I see in this article, let me now what you think:

https://theweeklywars.wordpress.com/...-of-the-storm/

That being said, it's certainly regionally dependant how good Storm is, and I would be much more likely to play Storm in the U.S. than in Europe.

[Togores]

Good article Alexander.
I also feel lately so. The grixis delver with drs is a nightmare g2 because of therapy + shaman.

New miracles decks also.

And the f***ing dig is a card that should be banned allong withay be chalice and balance. Just gets the fun out of the game.

That was the reason I played omnitell at the gp just because dig is so powerfull but the deck is boring.

Lets see if something happens now that omni and dig delver decks are wining to much.

[Reagens]

Funny thing. I felt that the European metagame is favouring Storm more then before GP Lille.
The miracles decks are struggling and the delver match-ups are doable. Certainly because they solely rely on spells and not on spells + permanents for disruption (I'm not counting DRS as it is a rather soft disruption piece). What I also think though is that grinding station has become to slow and you should play the fastest possible version at this point in time.
For myself I am playing a hybrid list very akin to TES (for the speed + burning wish board) but with the possibility to go grinding station post-board.