I have rarely have had mana issues 3-5 games post board, and maybe 1 or 2 of those that I couldn't play a win able gameplan. That seems like a decent trade off. Remember the more white you have the more mulligans, and the less you can fight poor 7's with a T1 Mirri's Guile. ...but tinker with the list. Never claimed it was perfect.Originally Posted by cherson
I've been messing around a bit with this build on MTGO, it's been going pretty good in the tournament practice lobbies at least. Multiple fast chalice/3sphere effects or a quick combo win from omnitell are the only times i really feel like its unwinable. The only thing i'm not so sold on is having both replenish and rip/helm combo in it, I think the replenish are necessary even if they are dead draws with RIP in play but hardly do I ever cast RIP without helm in hand to combo out that turn. Replenish helps to repopulate the field after a bunch of early counters or engineered explosives. The board i'm really still working on will break it down after the list. Still really new to piloting the deck so any help would be awesome.
8 Forest
1 Plains
3 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
3 Serra's Sanctum
1 Karakas
3 Argothian Enchantress
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
3 Living Wish
2 Replenish
1 Helm of Obedience
1 Sigil of the Empty Throne
1 Rest in Peace
4 Enchantress's Presence
3 Solitary Confinement
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Banishing Light
4 Sterling Grove
3 Elephant Grass
3 Mirri's Guile
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Wild Growth
Right now i'm ussing a wishboard to kind of make certain midgame changes with these wish targets.
1 Aegis of the Gods
1 Peacekeeper
1 Heliod, God of the Sun
1 Argothian Enchantress
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Karakas
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
These are the flex spots in my sideboard mainly use 1 of's to fetch with grove.
3 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Curse of Exhaustion
1 Stony Silence
1 Choke
Haven't tested the Curse yet but it seems like it would be nice to side in with Rec Sage and have the 3 O Ring effects to go against Show and Tell. I want to fit more cards to deal with the MUD matchup but don't know which ones to add, i'd probably take out the Sigarda and Karakas to add 2 slots to board in with Stony Silence.
In my opinion u have to play 4 argothian or at least add green sun's zenith. argothian is one of our main engines. if we don't have them on board it is quite hard to keep the bubble in play.
how did sigarda perform? I considered her because I face POX a lot but somehow my problem got solved by adding an extra land and play a bit smarter..
In the very beginning I also played 3 oblivion/banishing but do u really think they are necassary? do u really need them every game?
He's playing an Argothian in his wish board
The 4th Enchantress is in my wishboard and I find it very helpful hiding her in there for the couple times i've had no luck pulling an enchantress effect early or when they kill and surgical extract my Argothian. I have thrown around the idea of putting the 4th one back in maindeck and throwing an Eidolon of Blossoms in the wish board but not really happy with that option(mainly due the eidolon dieing to just about everything). Sigarda has either been great or just a body, thinking about swapping her maindeck with the 4th living wish, relegating her strictly to the wishboard since very rarely do I find myself digging to find the 1 of main deck and when I do find the need for her a living wish would presumably be there with 4 maindeck. The 3 0blivion/Banishing main deck, to me they feel like the perfect amount. They help to blank so much last ditch efforts or problems while bubbled or attempting to get the bubble going, and the easiest way to react to an early chalice and power through to the lock.
This one just placed well this weekend - interesting build.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=91365Creatures (7)
4 Argothian Enchantress
1 Eidolon of Blossoms
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Dryad Arbor
Lands (19)
5 Forest
1 Plains
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas
4 Serra's Sanctum
Spells (34)
1 Helm of Obedience
1 Banishing Light
4 Elephant Grass
4 Enchantress's Presence
1 Exploration
4 Mirri's Guile
2 Rest in Peace
1 Runed Halo
2 Solitary Confinement
2 Sterling Grove
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Wild Growth
4 Green Sun's Zenith
Sideboard
3 Trinisphere
1 Choke
1 Humility
2 Journey to Nowhere
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Rest in Peace
1 Sterling Grove
1 Enlightened Tutor
Curtis is good friends with The_Dingo and I. Nice to see him finally get a result on the big stage after all the work he's put into the deck. I'm pretty sure he doesn't frequent The Source, but I'm hoping he'll write up a tournament report in addition to his weekly article for Hipsters of the Coast. If he does, I'll make sure it gets linked here.
UPDATE: The Tournament report, as promised.
http://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/20...nament-report/
Last edited by LordOMJ; 09-15-2015 at 01:33 AM.
I'll admit I often get overly excited about new cards but I think this card is the realest deal we've seen since Eidolon. It seems to be at least an upgrade to oblivion ring and banishing light (though I'm aware it's not "strictly better").
The real downsides I see are that it has negative synergy with Teeg but in terms of upside aside from the obvious ability to take down multiple permanants its variable casting costs can help dodge counterbalance and the fact you can cast for X=0 means that in a desperate topdecking search you're saving a mana compared to Ring/Light. It's also a very narrow upside but I like that it requires Engineered Explosives on 2 and not 3.
Edit: And of course it looses the ability to be useful when put in off show and tell which might be the biggest problem but how good is O-ring against the current breed of show and tell decks anyway? It's never saved me before.
I just found the card and will definitely give it a try. I like the idea of exiling multiple cards.
The real downsides I see are that it has negative synergy with Teeg but in terms of upside aside from the obvious ability to take down multiple permanants its variable casting costs can help dodge counterbalance and the fact you can cast for X=0 means that in a desperate topdecking search you're saving a mana compared to Ring/Light. It's also a very narrow upside but I like that it requires Engineered Explosives on 2 and not 3.
Edit: And of course it looses the ability to be useful when put in off show and tell which might be the biggest problem but how good is O-ring against the current breed of show and tell decks anyway? It's never saved me before.
Regarding show and tell. How often do u play o-ring MD/SB? I play one main and one side. If u face show and tell u cld board it. I will try it :)
This could be defiantly interesting int he right situation, like taking clearing the board on MUD right before they get to far gone, or just nabbing a couple problem permanents. Think it's worth the testing.
Went a pretty convincing 4-0 tonight with a RIP/Field list pretty similar to Freggles except my Enchantresses Presence didn't come in time so I played 4 Eidolon. It was actually REALLY good. Beat Manaless Dredge, UGw 12 Post, Merfolk, and Jund Fit of some sort. Possibly just beginers luck, but the deck felt really good
You had some insane matchups (Dredge, as you probably noticed, is basically a bye), but people mock Enchantress way out of proportion to how good it actually is.
agree that dredge is a nightmare.
@megadeus: wld u mind posting a small report how u won?
Sure. Here's the exact list I ran:
4 Argothian Enchantress
4 Eidolon of the Blossoms
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Emrakul, The Aeons Torn
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Wild Growth
4 Elephant Grass
4 Sterling Grove
3 Rest in Peace
3 Suppression Field
3 Mirri's Guile
2 Solitary Confinement
1 Exploration
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Helm of Obedience
11 Forest
1 Plains
3 Serra's Sanctum
4 Windswept Heath
SB:
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Starfield of Nyx
1 Sun Titan
3 Swords to Plowshares
2 Oblivion Ring
2 Stony Silence
1 Enlightened Tutor
3 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Like I said, 4 Eidolon was me not getting my Presences in the mail on time, and I played some Wonky stuff in the Sideboard. Starfield not animating Auras really makes me like it much less than I initially thought. Melira was due to there being an Infect player and I figured it might come in handy.
Round 1: Manaless Dredge
G1: I keep a decent hand with ramp, Argothian and some stuff. He reveals Chancellor of the Annex and I just kind of forget he revealed it and cast my wild growth into it. I get Argothian down and then next turn get down Elephant grass but I draw my RIP too late and get run over. I forgot that Manaless doesn't need to attack to win because I was pretty confident in Elephant Grass just winning me the game.
G2: I keep a hand with RIP. I play RIP. 2 turns later I play Helm and win.
G3 I keep a decent hand, draw into RIP on T2 and he dies.
Board: +3 Leyline of Sanctity, +1 ETutor, +1 Sigarda, -1 Courser, -3 Suppression Field, -1 Emrakul? All posted board plans are what I think I did. May not be completely Accurate.
Round 2: UGw 12 Post with Terminus
G1: I can't really remember what my hand is most games, but it was a fine hand. I just remember he only brainstormed on T2 after I ramped and then cast a T3 Show and Tell. I put in Eidolon of the Blossoms, and he a Prime Time. I play stuff like RIP and some other things, draw into my Helm. Take a shot off of his Prime Time, then play out a Sterling Grove to protect from maybe a KGrip or something on RIP and Helm Him.
G2: Again I keep a fairly Reasonable hand. Nothing too exciting but it's got an Oring, Helm, and I think a Sterling Grove? He essentially does not much again. Makes a trinket mage while I build my board with Grove and stuff. He casts like a T5 Show and Tell. I debate on ORing, but decide with an open mana and on board Grove that I'll just go for it. He puts in Kozilek, I put in Helm. Crack Grove for RIP, cast and win.
Board: +2 ORing, +2 STP, +2 Stony Silence, -4 Elephant Grass, -2 Suppression Field
Round 3: Merfish
G1: he gets a T1 Vial, then a T2 Chalice. I have RIP out which does jack against him. I have a fairly decent hand, but decide fuck it and just jam Helm. He forces and eventually me drawing 1 drops he beats me down with a True Name.
G2: I don't really remember this game that well, but I think I locked him out with Solitary Confinement after awhile and he eventually scooped.
G3: I Think he mulls to 5? But he got a chalice on 1, but I found an ORing for it. He had True Name and was beating me down and I had nothing going on, but he cast Day's Undoing which really helped me. He forced my First enchantress but I cast an Eidolon while taking shots from TNN. He then Cast another Days Undoing and it allowed me to go nuts and lock him out then produced Emrakul while all he had left was lands.
Board: +1 Sigarda, +3 STP, +2 ORing, +1 Starfield of Nyx (In one of these games I cast this and since my copy is chinese I got to learn that it doesn't animate itself nor auras which really made it much worse in my eyes), - 3 Suppression Field, -3 Rest in Peace, -1 Helm of Obedience
Round 4: Jund Budget Nic Fit
He's 2-0-1 and I'm 3-0 so the incentive for me to split is really low since a split would give me like 17 dollars, and a loss would give me 15, while a win would give me 35. So I play
G1: I keep a pretty reasonable hand. I think he therapies me at some point taking a sterling grove over an Eidolon of the Blossoms which was excellent. He Deeds me twice in this game but thanks to Eidolon and me not over extending I refuel. He does get Prime Time which gets Kessig and threatens to kill me but like a chimp I rip Helm off the top for the win.
G2: He gets an explorer out and a dryad arbor and therapies my hand a couple of times with a Deed on board, but I get out 2 suppression field while not playing out my in hand argothian. At some point he is hitting me for 2 with an Explorer with Kessig having to pay 4 extra for the activation when he duresses me seeing Solitary, Sanctum, Emrakul, and Argothian. He counts and realizes if I rip a land I can double Sanctum (one on board) and make emrakul so he is forced to Blow his deed. I draw Sterling Grove, make Enchantress, make grove, restock everything and kill him after he rips a few lands.
Board: +1 Sigarda, +1 Starfield of Nyx, +1 Sun Titan, -3 Elephant Grass?
Deck felt fine. Eidolon is nuts. Now I see why people are saying he is so good as a 1 of. I love that man. Now that my Presences have come in I may have a 3-2 Split of Enchantress Presence and Him. Sun Titan and Starfield are probably just worse than something like say Replenish, but since most decks probably board out removal against you, they might actually just be fine. Suppression field was pretty hit or miss throughout the night, but usually there are like 2-3 lands players, some maverick players, and Death and Taxes so I think I will keep them in for now. Overall the deck was a blast to play and I think I will probably jam a pretty similar list to this on Sunday for a GPT.
Played pretty much the same list today. Went 2-3 at the GPT and lost a win and in to Elves because my opponent drew hot. Probably going to cut suppression fields. Also got a game loss because a deck reg error. That's what I get for getting there so late and not double checking my list.
Went:
Beat UR Delver because solitary conefinement lock
Loss to Bant because he drew 5 Exalted men and a True name
Loss to Dega Pyromancer because of deck reg error
Beat Jund Nic Fit
Loss to Elves because I fucked up sequencing and he just naturally drew running Natural Orders
Deck felt fine. I think if I don't get the registration error I probably beat Dega which would've set me up to get better MUs maybe. Such is magic.
My deck - comments?
4 Argothian Enchantress
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Forest
1 Plains
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
4 Serra's Sanctum
1 Helm of Obedience
4 Elephant Grass
4 Enchantress's Presence
4 Mirri's Guile
2 Rest in Peace
2 Solitary Confinement
3 Sterling Grove
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Wild Growth
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Eidolon of Blossoms
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
SB: 1 Choke
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 Runed Halo
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Circle of Protection: Red
SB: 1 Qasali Pridemage
SB: 2 Seal of Primordium
SB: 1 Moat
What is the maindeck Sigarda for?
Probably against Omni so you can tank a hit from Emrakul.
Sigarda is also just a mean beater that's pretty easy to cast/GSZ for
And as my 12 post opponent found out, it's solid against his All is Dust
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