Originally Posted by CabalTherapy
Hey everyone!
I'm new to ANT, played it at first time last saturday on a local 5 rounds tournment(doing 2-3). I previoulsy played Dredge, Blade and Omnitell, and sice the Dig ban i'm really into trying something new.
Your results seems very impressive to me, once i lost to Miracles(1-2) and Death And Taxes(0-2). I also lost to MUD.
Can you give me some tips on those match ups? Ad Nauseum seems very good against Miracles, but i'm not quite sure about its effectiviness against DnT. Is it possible for ANT to win over a Thalia in G1?
Thanks!
So the ANT list that Top 8'd the MKM series ran a Desolation Twin in the main. http://www.magiccardmarket.eu/MKMSer...&idt=3&idev=20
I'm very confused...
I can't imagine storming to ten and then casting this thing. What's the point?
Is it just there to put something in off Show and Tell??
Or is this a typo on his decklist?
EDIT: ya, it's a typo. Meant to be Dark Petition.
Welcome!
Well, they are not that impressive to be honest but I can try to recall the Miracles matches and the DnT one for you.
Against the first Miracles dude:
I played Duress on my second turn being on the play because I suspect him being on Miracles in order to popentially grab CB: he has two in hand. I discard one and make Petal> 2nd Duress for the 2nd CB. (my first land was Volcanic)
I then go for Ponder into Dark Ritual, Dark Ritual, Ad Nauseam, he responds with Brainstorm and says: ok > win. In the second match, he goes for Clique beatdown with Snapcaster. I went for Extirpate on Flusterstorm but failed to create enough storm to kill him in time. I think he was on 16 and I had Tendrils for 12 ready. The third game was rather quick as I brainstormed into the win on my third turn. CT > he responds with BS > "Force of Will" > he reveals the classic nothing and I have the easy PiF-loop.
Against the other Miracles dude: I storm on my second turn without protection for Ad Nauseam, he flips with Top but luckily it isn't FoW > win. The second game is hard because he has like 2 Flusterstorm, 2 FoW, 2 Snappies, 1 RiP and Mentor in hand on turn 3/4 but I have more lands and a Top. I try to sculp a good hand and decay his Mentor in order to buy time. At some point, I can discard some cards and trade a Flusterstorm with Ad Nauseam. I think he goes for Extraction on CT down to 14 life and then I have exactly Tendrils for 14 with 0 mana left via some Rituals, 2x Duress and Infernal.
I bring in: 3 Decay, 2 Grip, 1 Extirpate, 1 Top, 2 Xantids and board some configuration of discard spells, Preordains, Petals, one Cabal, and LEDs out.
Against the DnT dude:
Basically, I goldfish him on turn 3 suspecting he is on NicFit (we played the day before and he played the Fit). I bring in: 3 DoN and 2 Chains and board out 3 Duress, 1 PiF and I think it was 1 Preordain. He wins the match with 2 Revoker which survive my DoN, Canonist and some other dudes. I have a solid hand in game 3 and go for the kill on turn 3 I think (pretty safe Ad Nauseam again) with him having no hatebear.
Against Thalia in game one: Play your LED and Petals out, hope for a big graveyard and the you can certainly win against Thalia. Cabal Ritual is the mvp here. Nonetheless, it's not that easy as it sounds.
Well, how can one really think for a second that it could be Desolation Twin? C'mon.
It's Dark Petition. Not that difficult to guess, right?
WantToPonder
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It was indeed Dark Petition.
Had a really fortunate tourney after a rather disappointing Trial the day before.
Rd.1 Imperial Painter 2:1
Rd.2 Stoneblade 2:0
Rd.3 Miracles 0:2
Rd.4 Deathblade 2:0
Rd.5 Shardless BUG 2:1
Rd.6 Redanimator 2:0
Rd.7 Deathblade 2:0
Rd.8 Aggro Loam 2:1
Quarterfinal Mentormiracles 2:1
My first bigger tourney, was a hell of a blast all weekend long :)
@raid
When were you boarding in Ad Nauseam?
Any changes you'd make to the 75?
Usually only against fast combo and decks with a rather slow clock and good graveyardhate. I made the sideboard under the impressions of the trial were i didnt see that much Sneak and Show but quiet a lot hatebears, so depending on the expected meta you have to think about making room for xantid swarms again.
Oh, you were Raid? I had no idea, I guess we met on sunday waiting for the legacy sideevent... Congrats on the result!
Haha. I wanted to write some similar.
Raid, I was the other storm guy talking to you and your friend Boris in between rounds.
WantToPonder
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In facebook Kai poster this link some days ago. And i have a question. Please somebody explain me why there are 4 preordains in Grinding Station(second place) and in any other storm build there are 4 ponders?
http://www.bigmagic.net/bmo05/legacy/03.html
I can't speak for Kai but Ponder is generally more useful in ANT because we are trying to find something specific, the key card so we can start the combo. Ponder allows us to see four cards deep. Grinding Station has a lot more business cards, and cares more about trying to improve the quality of our draws. Preordain also goes well with Brainstorm because we can put two junks away with Brainstorm, cast Preordain to put them on the bottom of our library, and cantrip.
because he/the designer of the deck thinks it's better... which isn't (to be respectful it isn't most of the time)... this all goes in a vein of T1 ponder is not a good play and patient style of play while valid argument, unless you're a briliant mathematician (certainly scenarios and small % advantages can pop up) , the lower value of fetchlands, lower digging power and combo associations make it strictly worse as a deck building approach imo
the last sentence totaly invalidates what you wrote
Yeah, I can see that. Fair enough.
Did anyone else use Google Translate on the page? "Full Force from the Nest Hole" rates pretty high in my book.
Hello! New poster and learning ANT player here. Can anyone help me understand why people run an extra copy of tendrils in the board? Thanks. : )
Preordain is better than Ponder in situations where you draw additional cards afterwars, can't shuffle and are not looking just for one specific card. That sounds more narrow than it actually is. It means Preordain is a better turn one play most of the time, because a turn one Ponder is really only good if you are looking for exactly one card. (There are, in fact, scenarios where Preordain has better digging power if followed by additional draws, but these are very, very narrow.) If you are looking just for card quality/volume of spells that can be cast, for example when you are building up a natural Storm kill, Preordain is better by virtue of allowing you to ditch useless cards (additional 2+ CMC spells, uncastable cantrips, useless lands, you get the drift).
I originally played Preordain over Ponder way back in 2011 when there was a lot of Canadian Threshold, because Preordain just plays infinitely better against Stifle - Ponder quickly becomes just "Shuffle your library. Draw a card." against these. The amount of Threshold has gone done quite a bit, so Ponder was played over Preordain again until very recently. With Dig Through Time in the format, we were forced to play much more aggressively, so the amount of cantrips that were cast on the first turn of the game has gone up dramatically. I'm currently still playing Preordain over Ponder because the metagame hasn't panned out quite yet. These days, it mostly depends on the amount of Miracles that is being played and also how these lists end up looking in regards to relevant cards after sideboarding. If they don't have much, a minimally worse game one might be acceptable.
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@Sloshthedark and CabalTherapy
Thx, yeah wasnt really aware that so many the source players would be there...
That and "Month of Large Magician". Might not be English As She Is Spoke, but the whole page is pretty fantastic.
And for any CinemaSnob fans, I find "Night of Horror" to be a truly glorious transliteration of Dread of Night.
I thought I was being clever by calling Volcanic Island "BLOOD OCEAN"...
I'm also pretty new to the deck, but from what I gather it's so that, against counter-heavy, slow decks like Miracles, we can afford to increase our threat density and storm for, say, twelve life and wait to storm again for the rest because there's not really much of a clock on us. Also, we've got additional outs against counterspells.
I'm kicking around the idea of boarding a second Tendrils, but I feel like Empty the Warrens might be a better call because it can help us push through against fast decks and slow ones. Goblins on the board can deal damage every turn, but Tendrils can only drain once (not counting flashback).
@Jonathan Alexander, correct me if i wrong. I read you and have a strange feeling like top is the best cantrip.
First, Congratz to your finish, watched your oncamera match against Loam and was pretty excited when I read that you smashed MentorBlabla in the quarterfinals.
Now my question: You played Grim and Petition both as 1-offs in your maindeck. A decision I am still unsure about. Did one of the two cards overperformed compared to the other. In which situations did they shine, in which not?
Greetinx.
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