[COMM] Commander 2015 Spoiler Discussion

[Barook]

Moist Confluence
Instant
Choose three. You may choose the same mode more than once.

• Counter target spell.
• Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
• Draw four cards.

Tripple countering does seem kinda pointless as a mod. And a Draw 12? Sure. It would be pretty much a Cryptic Command variant without the tap down at that point.

And I can see them printing a Draw 3 below 4 mana, so the CC is probably .

[Cire]

Scytheclaw is worse than Batterskull due to Batterskulls lifegain and toughness, but it does kill faster by one turn . (20 life --> attack --> 19 Life --> Lose half rounded up --> 9 Life --> attack --> 8 Life --> Lose half rounded up --> 4 --> attack --> 3 life --> Lose half rounded up --> 1 life --> attack --> win)

[PirateKing]

Scytheclaw is worse than Batterskull due to Batterskulls lifegain and toughness, but it does kill faster by one turn . (20 life --> attack --> 19 Life --> Lose half rounded up --> 9 Life --> attack --> 8 Life --> Lose half rounded up --> 4 --> attack --> 3 life --> Lose half rounded up --> 1 life --> attack --> win)

Batterskull also has that nice ": Return Batterskull to its owner's hand." making reactivation after combat possible. Here your shitty 1/1 dies and you're stuck until you have something else to hold the stick.

[iamajellydonut]

And a Draw 12? Sure.

That do be the joke, good sir.

[TsumiBand]

Scytheclaw and any similar effect is just laughably bad all the time forever.

I was really ready to enjoy playing the 6-to-the-face-for-4 Red spell until jellydumptruck reminded me that Instants are also a card type. Now I feel bad for playing Sorcery speed burn. The fuck's a matter with Magic cards, man

[H]

Some lulz-y new Blue cards:




The clone is pretty funny really.

[Barook]

Isn't that a strictly better Clone? The base power thing is interesting and probably best used with something like double strike for ridiculous scaling.

[TsumiBand]

Is that Fblthp off on another whirlwind adventure? I'm ready for Fblthp's spark to ignite

[iamajellydonut]

Isn't that a strictly better Clone?

Muraganda Petroglyphs? :D

[Barook]

Muraganda Petroglyphs? :D

If you don't copy a vanilla creature, it doesn't apply anyway.

[iamajellydonut]

If you don't copy a vanilla creature, it doesn't apply anyway.

Why would you ever copy anything other than Scaled Wurm?

[rufus]

Isn't that a strictly better Clone? The base power thing is interesting and probably best used with something like double strike for ridiculous scaling.

By itself, it's not a good ability.

Illusory Ambusher + Fire Covenant is not utterly terribad, probably OK in commander.

The clone combos with Reveillark if you use the ability with X=0. Of course that's nothing special.

[Cire]

I've been curious - what happens if you Clone a Giddeon while he is impersonating a creature or a black lotus enchanted with Ensoul Artifact, does the clone come into play as a Giddeon or Black Lotus?

[Barook]

I've been curious - what happens if you Clone a Giddeon while he is impersonating a creature or a black lotus enchanted with Ensoul Artifact, does the clone come into play as a Giddeon or Black Lotus?

You get the unanimated card, so the Gideon PW or the Black Lotus.

What happens to the Gigantoplasm ability if you activate it in that case, though? I assume nothing as long as it isn't a creature since it doesn't animate?

[Barook]

I wish it wouldn't give your opponent stuff as well. Then it would be Legacy-playable.

[jrsthethird]

I said interesting, not Legacy-playable. It can be fired off multiple times, so there's that.

Another card:


Why this isn't GW instead of BW - I don't know.

Origins gave black a small push in "Enchantment matters" stuff. Not too surprising. See: Blood-Cursed Knight, Blightcaster.

Moist Confluence
Instant
Choose three. You may choose the same mode more than once.

• Counter target spell.
• Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
• Draw four cards.

You forgot the alternate casting cost of "Control an island".

[Anen]

You forgot the alternate casting cost of "Control an island".

Kicker - Control an Island. If you paid the kicker cost, choose 6 modes instead.

[Gheizen64]

Not sure why stryx can exist and this viper can't return a card for you only. WotC Plz. It would've been a perfectly fine card for legacy without the opponent's clause. Not sure if playable, maybe BUG would've played it? Whatever.

[Barook]

http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/commander-2015-home

- WB seems to be enchantment/token based
- UR is obviously spell-based
- BG is sacrifice-based
- WR is large-creature/combat focused
- UG is harder to figure out - we know that the experience Commander is going to be a Phyrexian Ezuri. Based on the description, it might have a counter-subtheme (Infect, +1/+1 counters, etc.).

[Gheizen64]

Also illusory ambusher is effectively a draw 4-5 that also gain you that much life AND remove a creature! Broken! At 4U instant!

Blocking a 3/4 goyf is like 10 effective card swing.