I think the main issue with Ruric Thar is that he's required to swing each turn. That can be really bad in certain situations.
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We are already strong against other combo decks as it is to justify Ruric Thar. Griselbrand and Iona is usually enough to stop opposing combo decks. Want more combo hate, you can easily use Jin like Chase has done or Sire of Insanity if you are on a Petal build.
If someone is really hellbent on taking out Ruric Thar, the 6 damage is a small price to pay. I've bounced an Elves player Ruric Thar just to get my wincon out the next turn, since the Elves folks have that card mainboarded in my area. I'm still partial to bringing out Griselbrand out against a combo deck if Elesh, Iona, or Tidespout aren't the silver bullets.
I'm only running the 2 SnT in the side. Game 1 I'm all in on the graveyard stratagy. I can see your point on chain. Late game it definitely seems bad, however early game it can be sweet b/c of its low cost with no drawback. I wonder if wipe away has any value? 3 cmc is a bit steep but EOT split second seems ok if you take first 2 turns to sculp your hand. This is assuming your opponent has a turn 0 or turn 1 graveyard hate hit the field. I feel like the bounce is so critical b/c I typically side out daze when I'm on the draw.( i like to assume i get game one always) I also side out Force of Will against non combo so I have to have a interaction for LotV, Graffdiggers Cage, Relic of Prog., RIP. I know abrupt decay hits 3 of the 4 and DRS but bounce hits them all.Originally Posted by Deckerator
As far as Ruric goes, he's been a house. In my meta the only critters he would potentially swing into his own demise would be a huge KotR or a Merrit Liege. If Lands combos before me then I guess I lost (tide spout only main deck answer). As far as boarding him in, Storm, Delver, etc.. If they play more spells than critters, he's commin out to play.
This is true, we are already pretty solid against combo. So maybe I should be dedicating another card to this spot for something more troublesome... I have had problems with Aggro Loam in my local meta. I would imagine DnT would be pretty darn rough. Luckily people haven't been playing it lately at my LGS. This matchup already has 2 dedicated spots in my sideboard in Massacre. Tezzerator is another scary one, haven't seen that in a while either though (Ruric might be descent in this matchup..)
I've played against aggro loam and looks like a very favorable matchup, because they are so slow that you get to play around everything. Tidespout Tyrant is pretty good against them. Post-board I bring extra show and tells (if you are running them) or just your bounce effects because of Leyline.
Ruric shouldn't be that hard for Tezzerator to play against, since they can assemble the token factory and ruric would look silly.
Well, went 1-4 again. I keep flooding. Also, I've gotta get rid of these damned Graveborn foils. They are taco shells that clump when you shuffle, but i can't find Japanese Odyssey non-foils anywhere. In other news, I got to cast a Lim-Dul's Vault 3 times today, and it felt good, strong, even. I suggest you try it. I got to find a Griselbrand and put it second to the top @ the end of my opponents turn, draw FoW, tap jace, draw/discard the Gris, FoW the Surgical Extraction that targeted it as I Exhumed it. Jace also flipped, leaving mewith the option to flashback the Exhume if they countered it. I also used it to find an Entomb twice, never spending more than 2 life to do so. I love it, I'm keeping it.
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Just a thought since this deck fills its graveyard so fast has anyone tried a 1 of gurmag angler or tombstalker as another way to put a potential threat on the board?
Not to my knowledge, I just can't think of where I would be able to shoe - horn it in at...
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The issue with going to delve critters is that you're still pretty open to DRS/RiP/Leyline, so sideboard plan becomes doubly ineffective. A sideboard plan that doesn't focus on sidestepping sideboard hate probably needs to focus on changing 2-for-1 zones from graveyard to hand (show and tell) or from graveyard to library (this one is harder since you're not really green for Natural Order-type effects, but Skill Borrower are still live with grisel stormed to top). Of these show and tell plan requires much less slot-intensive sideboarding. As an honorable mention, hex-depths is always a thing.
I was just thinking of it as a 1 of mainboard for those moments when you cant seem to get all the pieces you need to reanimate something or off of a griselbrand activation its something you wouldn't mind seeing since you could probably play it for 1-2 mana.
You would need top and more bs effects
So I played my standard u/b list Saturday in a small event of 9. Lost to Storm in a three game match round 1. Turns out Ruric wasn't the best option game three, got chained by vapor. He duressed me and saw; exhume, entomb, FoW...He took FoW and passed. I was in disbelief! So I entombed EOT putting Ruric in the yard and then untapped, drew, played Exhume and poopies. In hind sight him taking FoW was a clue he had an answer so, lesson learned. Match 2 I played against a helm/RIP combo mixed with painter servant and grind stone. Guess who won that one, I mean a playset of RIP main deck aarrrgghhh! Game 2 he brought in 3 fluster storms and cliques and pretty much gave up on painter combo. I got beat to death by a clique, it happens. Now for the god awful part, I was dead last and got byes matches 3 and 4! Bad day of magic. However, I now see why the risk of playing 3 or 4 color is worth the reward. So for tomorrow's normal legacy night I will replace a basic island and swamp with a bayou and trop. Switch my side board around to include 3 abrupt decays. It doesn't hit leyline but, SnT and maybe even reanimating one of they're creatures that was thoughtseized or countered is a viable attack plan.
You say you keep flooding? I run 15 lands and 3 lotus petals.. What's your manabase look like? I never flood if anything I SOMETIMES have trouble hitting 3 mana for like a thoughtseize lead into an exhume.
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Yeah, that's absolutely what I'm running currently. I did switch to nonfoil Animate Dead, Reanimates and Exhumes. I'll be swapping the entombs out as soon as I can find someone with Japanese nonfoil ones.
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Why the FOIL and Jappo's "problem" is relevant in this forum?
However: in the US isn't D&T a problem? I've, with TOP-Guy's-list, much difficulty with White-Based NU... I've insert Pyroclasm insted of Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur (all MU Vs I side it inset Pyroblast/ReB).
It's relevant to the Archetype due to the foils I currently have being from Graveborn. They clump due to the foil process making them essentially unplayable in a tournament setting, and I am giving other players a heads up before they buy them that this is the case, and should steer clear. You are welcome....
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Death and Taxes is not to popular at the moment around my area (east coast). It was before Omnitell took off and just hasn't really resurfaced. I've seen a lot of Storm and various Delver strategies. I think Massacre is the usual choice in the side to aid in DnT and I'd imagine abrupt decay might be pretty good. That deck is just LOADED with so much hate.
My goal against DnT is to get an Archetype down asap and if I can follow up with an Elesh Norn, I win. While you set that up, try to keep their clock as small as possible with Massacre, Izzet/Golgari Charm, Disfigure, Decay, whatever. Fetch basics, leave fetches as fetches until you need the mana.
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That's quite interesting,you'll need a really large sample to prove that there's a statistically significant difference between the graveborn foils, non-foils and other foils, otherwise, it's pure anecdotal evidence or just coincidence.
I've been playing with the graveborn foils and have not noticed any issues, but my whole deck is foil except for 4 seas, 1 bayou, and 1 trop.
Is the rest of your deck foil? I agree that you shouldn't play with them if those are the only foils in your deck, since they can be ruled as marked cards.
Also are you sure it's not a sleeve issue? Older sleeves do get sticky. I use brand new KMC hypermat sleeves every time I play in a major tournament and switch them out after 2 or 3 small tournaments, so I basically replace sleeves every 15 matches or so.
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