Yeah, you can probably swap out Boil and either a Sudden Shock or a Sudden Demise to fit in 2 Trinispheres (or both if you want 3).Originally Posted by H
Sudden Shock is usually to deal with Delvers?Yeah, you can probably swap out Boil and either a Sudden Shock or a Sudden Demise to fit in 2 Trinispheres (or both if you want 3).
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Or Mother of Runes or Monastery Mentor.
Or anything with Infect.
@The Crow's Eye, the Flametongue Kavu might be what I'm looking for. I find that I sometimes have trouble reaching double red to cast a dragon, and I would like a 4-drop that's 3R. But then, if it's the only creature in play, it has to kill itself.
Is Ensnaring Bridge a poor sideboard choice? I don't like it very much against Sneak and Show. Perhaps Pyroblast would be better. I've also seen Confusion in the Ranks for tech against Sneak and Show, but perhaps it isn't worthwhile to hope.
Makes sense. The only card in the list I am unsure of is Avalanche Rider. Is it there more to take care of troublesome lands, like Gaea's Cradle or manlands? Or simply to take out their only basic(s) once Moon is down?
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Pyroblast isn't really good in these type of decks. You want it in the blue matchups, but with a few exceptions, chalice is one of your best cards in the blue match ups because it takes away their cantrips, leaving decks with 25%+ air.
Yes.
I only had 1 copy going into the tournament I reported on. The second was a Goblin Settler up until 5 minutes before the event (but a friend had a copy to loan me). The only reason I see that he is superior to Settler in the list is Human tribal synergy with Cavern of Souls. Haste did not make up for his echo cost. Being a 2/2 is mostly irrelevant in comparison with being a 1/1. But Human > Goblin in that list.
His use (or more accurately a Stone Rain effect), is like that of duct tape. It fixes many problems. If you have a Moon out, then their Cradle is a Mountain anyway, go for the Forest. If you don't have a Moon out and the Cradle will lead to your death next turn, kill the Cradle. Be wary of feeding DRS in either case. Don't give your opponent outs he otherwise wouldn't have.
Yeah, I can see how being a Human is definitely a bonus there. How did you feel about 4 equipment as opposed to 3?Yes.
I only had 1 copy going into the tournament I reported on. The second was a Goblin Settler up until 5 minutes before the event (but a friend had a copy to loan me). The only reason I see that he is superior to Settler in the list is Human tribal synergy with Cavern of Souls. Haste did not make up for his echo cost. Being a 2/2 is mostly irrelevant in comparison with being a 1/1. But Human > Goblin in that list.
His use (or more accurately a Stone Rain effect), is like that of duct tape. It fixes many problems. If you have a Moon out, then their Cradle is a Mountain anyway, go for the Forest. If you don't have a Moon out and the Cradle will lead to your death next turn, kill the Cradle. Be wary of feeding DRS in either case. Don't give your opponent outs he otherwise wouldn't have.
I might try Trinisphere in place of Singscourger, because there is a noticeable lack of Show and Tell in our small meta. If my Flamesspeakers and Scab-Clans come in soon and I can make it, I'll probably try the list out on the 8th.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
I'm not against it. What are you trying to fit in instead? What are the 3 you are choosing?
The equipment make your relatively puny dudes into legitimate threats. Keep that in mind!
Stingscourger is also great against Reanimator! I'm not saying 'don't swap those', just pointing out that the goblin is useful in other matches.
Good luck! I'm interested in hearing how Scab-Clan does for you. I didn't really get to see her in action.
I was thinking two Swords and a Jitte, possibly. Just trying to make some room for Trinisphere really.
Hmm, that's true. Well, in theory though, if they are able to reaimate something, the ship may well have sailed, since if it's Iona we'd be hosed with no chance to cast the Goblin. If it's Griselbrand, they'll get a fresh grip of 7. If it's Elesh, well, that could be bad or neutral, depending on what stage of the game we're in. Stingscourger seems much better if it's off a Show and Tell though. Maybe I'm wrong though, was if often the case that you would get to cast it and have it be good?Stingscourger is also great against Reanimator! I'm not saying 'don't swap those', just pointing out that the goblin is useful in other matches.
At least in theory, she seems like she'd be good in against creature light, spell heavy decks like Storm. Hopefully some Storm decks show and I can see for sure though.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
In the event where I used nedleeds' list, it was the exact situation you described (Show and Tell -> Iona). CotV @ 1 kept him off Reanimate. If you run up against Reanimator, don't forget Phyrexian Revoker can turn off Lotus Petal.
The only person who runs Reanimator locally doesn't run Show and Tell (usually). Then again, I can't recall the last time I even saw him playing.
I feel like the risk of cutting it might just be worth it though. At least Trinisphere isn't exactly a dead card versus them in the worst case, just not very good. Then again, I might take your earlier suggestion and shave a Sudden Shock. In fact, I might even do both, fit three Trini's in. Few things worse than opening a good hand with acceleration but nothing game-breaking to accelerate into. I am liking the Sudden Demises though, because our meta can often have a bunch of GB/X decks.
I'm pretty versed on Revoker though, I spent a year on Death and Taxes and named Lion's Eye Diamond many a time,.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Question about the history of this deck: It was conceived to defeat Threshold builds, which ran 4 FoW and 4 Daze. The original builds of Dragon Stompy ran Seething Song...what allowed these decks to be successful in their use of Song, given that a Force or Daze against the Song could have shut out the DStompy player's Arc Slogger/Red Akroma?
Also - FTK is a meta selection. You can go smaller, more utility oriented with Revoker. You can follow the example of some other builds and run 2+ Moltensteel Dragon, or if you have Equipment you can go with Prophetic Flamespeaker. Or Rabblemaster if you run TSphere. There's also Rakka Mar, and she's great vs Goyfs.
Oh - running 11 Mountains, I've not had trouble hitting my RR for the four-drops.
Took the mono humans list to a 2-1 finish at my local weekly event last week. Changed up the side board a bit(list will follow later, I'm on my phone). I've messed around a bunch with different stompy builds and while the over all power level of the threats in this build is lower, the equipment package is pretty brutal.
Avalanche ride was a champ under blood moon, helping remove their relevant lands(to prevent StP, terminus, decay etc) or utility ones without moon.
Scab clan was OK. Haste is strong in this deck and the renowned effect can get you a bunch of free damage if they don't have a quick.answer. but dies to everything and once they know you're playing equipment they will try to kill any creature you play.
Flamespeaker was a house, but not having haste made for some very poor scenarios where I couldn't actually get any point in with it.
Played Chandra and koth in the side so I had some game against control after they board in all their removal. Chandra was really good for spare cards and pushing through damage when I wanted.
Also played 3 magma jet, 1 fiery confluence main, 2 more confluence side. The card stole me a couple games either wiping the board or providing 6 points at instant speed to end the game.
Food for thought. Matches were aggro loam, grixis delver, miracles, loss was to loam.
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=19134&iddeck=145439
@Davis Merced - If you're in the house, can you discuss any changes you would make to this lineup? Avaricious Dragon is what I'm curious about...
Ok. So maindeck or sideboard?
Stops natural order, terminus, entreat, kills stuff.
"I made a Redguard that looks like Kimbo Slice. He wrecks peoples' shit. And dragons." - Bignasty197
Neither. Keep in mind, that this card is uncastable under B-Moon effect.
That is my gut reaction as well. Cool card, but can't reliably cast it.
Quick question:
Can you imprint a colorless card/eldarazi onto Chrome Mox to have it produce colorless mana?
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