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    Re: [Deck] R/G Combo Lands

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivfader View Post
    What I like about the card is that it gives interaction with the stack, which is something we hardly can (safe from croprotating in response). Spheres and Chalice are great against some matchups (Storm), but are somewhat lustlackers versus others (like Sneakshow).
    There's a scenario which happens quite often to me, landing spheres, porting versus combo, until you've got the combopieces together. But then there's the moment that you need to leave 3 mana open (not using port) to make Marit Lage EOT, which is the moment where I often still loose the game. Warping Wail would work here.

    I don't think WW is an amazing card. It's versatile, but it's especially the counterpart that's interesting, and countering a sorcery for 2 is probably not good enough. Still, a colorless counterspell is tempting, and I might test it along with 4 spheres (the spheres might avoid a counterwar too).
    I'm not completely convinced personally. The card seems quite sexy, but SB slots are very costy, and I feel like WW would weaken the non-combo matchups.
    I think the best way to deal with the situation you're talking about is to wait a few more turns to gather enough mana to both port and make the token.

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    Does anyone else find it somewhat comical that Grove of the burnwillows is more expensive than Taiga ??

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    Hello all. Here's a video. Enjoy.

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    Has anyone tried out Sea Gate Wreckage yet? I've been thinking of adding it to my list, but I'm not sure it'd be worth it since it would require games to be grindier and go longer to really be effective. What do ya'll think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Nobeard View Post
    Has anyone tried out Sea Gate Wreckage yet? I've been thinking of adding it to my list, but I'm not sure it'd be worth it since it would require games to be grindier and go longer to really be effective. What do ya'll think?
    Naah.

    I'm only ever hellbent in game one. I'd rather have horizon canopy. Three mana is enough to loop loam and horizon canopy (or thicket). Would sooner play ceph coliseum over Seagate wreckage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cfetchcaviar View Post
    I'm only ever hellbent in game one. I'd rather have horizon canopy. Three mana is enough to loop loam and horizon canopy (or thicket)
    That's why I'm adamant about using it; because it's easier to keep Thicket in hand and use it when you need to as compared to having met certain conditions. Also b/c Sea Gate has to be in play, so that's another downside.
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    That day, I was drinking tea, though I normally drink coffee and would love to try a home-roast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivfader View Post
    I've been wondering if Warping Wail would be an interesting sideboardcard...
    There are versions of this deck with healthy access to blue mana which still don't run counter-magic. Of course this isn't just counter-magic, it also kills litle creatures. So in Lands I think it's comparable to Abrupt Decay, except itvcvounters sorceries instead of blowing up artifacts and enchantments.

    So maybe you are thinking of putting these into Grip slots? I don't like that, because most of the hate cards we need to deal with (RIP, Moon, etc) are not vulnerable. Even Magus can't be killed by this unless we float colourless mana while he's on the stack.

    If you want it vs combo, I also don't recommend cutting Spheres or Chalices, which are probably just better.

    So now we are getting into our 3-7 more flexible SB slots. These are being fought over by:

    * GQ/Karakas/Bog (whatever isn't in the main)
    * Needles
    * Choke
    * Seismic Assault (or Molten Vortex)
    * Titan
    * Boseiju

    And maybe some other options I'm forgetting because it's early and I need more caffine.

    I guess WW looks technically playable, but I suspect the opportunity cost is just too high.

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    And dont forget this sweet tech....make a 1/1 token in response to any "sac a creature you control" trigger

    that said, its on my list of things to test out
    I don't think this is that great. Most of the answers to Marit Late are targeted. Swords, Submerge, Chain Of Vapors, Flickerwisp, Jace etc. Good against Lili I guess, but for me Lili decks are not the MUs that drive my sideboard choices.

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    Does anyone else find it somewhat comical that Grove of the burnwillows is more expensive than Taiga ??
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    Re: [Deck] R/G Combo Lands

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimhead View Post
    And maybe some other options I'm forgetting because it's early and I need more caffine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimhead View Post
    There are versions of this deck with healthy access to blue mana which still don't run counter-magic.
    That's a sound argument, as WW is worse than most blue counterspells in manacost and restriction. I already gave the card a spin in some games, but especially used it for it's creatureremoval mode (although it was slotted for its anticombo countermode).

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    Not a perfect video by any means, but here's

    #100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigapatrick View Post
    Not a perfect video by any means, but here's

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    So apparently SoI cards are being spoiled and one of them was an Envelop that acts as a Surgical Extraction to the sorcery it counters...for one mana still. I can't imagine that won't be in every sideboard that can run it given how it hoses most all combo. Sucks for Lands big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysandros View Post
    So apparently SoI cards are being spoiled and one of them was an Envelop that acts as a Surgical Extraction to the sorcery it counters...for one mana still. I can't imagine that won't be in every sideboard that can run it given how it hoses most all combo. Sucks for Lands big time.
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    At first I thought it just straight up surgicaled the sorcery but that Delirium requirement won't always be easy to hit and can be played around at least. 3 different types will be easy that 4th though may prove more difficult for most decks. Land, instant, sorcery will almost always be the first 3 then creature to be the 4th which will be harder for decks to have set up.

    I also imagine it checks twice, once upon cast and once upon resolution so we could do something like surgical the 4th card type or rotate into bog to stop it.

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    I bought a second Foil Bog last week, one for the side and one for the Main. Thinking it was a good call.
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    I bought a second Foil Bog last week, one for the side and one for the Main. Thinking it was a good call.
    Maindeck bog is the place to be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikolai004 View Post
    I also imagine it checks twice, once upon cast and once upon resolution so we could do something like surgical the 4th card type or rotate into bog to stop it.
    More likely it only checks when the spell resolves. Why would it need to check upon casting? There are no casting off srgetting conditions related to delirium.
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