Nice report! Congratulation to your success.Originally Posted by Julian23
I try your decklist in few games with friends..
and to be honest... iam too bad player or have rly badluck... very often i just drawing useless manaelves doing nothing. when i need some bomb...
We will see, i give another try.
A lot of playing Elves properly is to trust the topdeck. The deck has a high threat density, but you need to set your board up for luck to give you the win. Keeping an elf or two in hand to keep Glimpses alive, developing more conservatively to get to those juicy GSZ's for 3-4 and such.
This is how you play Elves. They actually had a 4th trial in the Last Crusade, where Harrison Ford, one of the most accomplished Elves pilots, would have to rebuild after being hit by a Mind Twist for all his cards. Unfortunatley it didn't make it into the theatrical release.
Last edited by Julian23; 02-25-2016 at 05:50 PM.
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
When playing your MKM list, are you less hesitant to play value glimpses for 2-3 cards, or do they function the same as in the NO list?
They're pretty much a value card and a threat tool in the NO list to begin with. If anything, they become a stronger kill / take over the board threat with the NO-less build.
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Why is it going to be a thing? Well, because it is an effective card against many legacy decks and provides flexibility. While it is not the MOST effective card against many decks, it creates advantage against a broad diversity of decks because of its flexibility. As long as they're running land that produces (c) it creates options that did not exist before: countering sorceries and exiling utility dudes. Aggro Eldrazi, Death and Taxes, MUD, and maybe Painter can easily run this card and deal with problems they could not afford to before. The problem for us is that there are few, if any, solid legacy decks that this card punishes more than ours. Aggro Eldrazi is going to be a contender because of the pain it brings miracles and many configurations Ag-El will run Warping Wail main deck. Chaos elves will likely do better against this card, but it still affects most of the cards in our deck. I will happily be proved wrong.
Yea but without NO iam forced to play glimpse more carfuly to make something huge, not only draw 2-3 cards. U r much more dependent on glimpse.
Nine out of ten times I'm just running out Glimpse on turn2 if there's a chance I'll be drawing at least 2 cards. If my hand doesn't have any good options for turn, I'm also happy just cycling it. There's only a few corner-case scenarios where I think I really need to win on the next turn, like against some combo decks, where I hold back on it. On the other hand, I often side out a couple of Glimpse vs. Storm; it's all about graveyard control on getting them to ~12 life in that matchup. Value glimpses usually just slow you down there.
But most of the time I just run it out of turn2 and it eats a FoW. At which point I just run out a Wirewood Symbiote and Quirion Ranger, to go with my Deathrite Shaman at which point I'm very far ahead against most decks while giving myself the options for some insane topdecks.
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
This card doesn't do anything other cards haven't done before. I would be more concerned about chalice of the void or sphere of resistance more than warping wail. In removal mode we still have wirewood symbiote for them to deal with.
We've fought through force of will and other counter magic so I just can't see it breaking elves in that mode either.
If miracles see less play because of eldrazi, than thats better for us.
I guess we'll find out in the next few months but I'm not to worried.
Perhaps Eternal Witness would be a nice tool for the grindy mid range Elves build. Seems good to be able to return a Glimpse to your hand off a GSZ.
Too bad it isn't an Elf though. Could make for some crazy shenanigans with Symbiote.
On the other hand, @3 mana you might just want to go for SotP.
Witness probably doesn't fit in elves...
Return zenith looks nice, but opponent have to counter one before. Returning glimpse could be helpful, but one turn you cast witness, then next turn you wanna play it and opponent is probably prepared cose had enough time and know what is comming.
If you need something from grave, you go zenith for 4 mana to get her on the table, then u have probably no mana to use what you want... and if you have still enough mana, you should probably fetch something bigger :)
After playing many leagues in MOL I to finding the best build to win Eldrazi is the classic more Packmaster, playing Chaos is virtually impossible to win without the Packmaster and still have the protection of the Symbiote or hope not take Dismember
What guys think?
I was having trouble with chaos with regards to my playstyle, so I'm back with 3 NO in the deck, added the packmaster and 2 caverns and I think that's where I'll stand for Philly
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And still keep savannah or go red for ruric with orders?
BTW: questin for everybody:
unfortunatly i dont have caverns of souls xD ... any chance to be reprinted in eternal masters?
I think Elderscale Wurm is good vs Eldrazi
They can not remove
It still lose to shaman's activations, if opponent is way ahead if you can't finish it fast.When Elderscale Wurm enters the battlefield, if your life total is less than 7, your life total becomes 7.
As long as you have 7 or more life, damage that would reduce your life total to less than 7 reduces it to 7 instead.
Actually i think
Novablast Wurm 3GGWW (7)
Creature — Wurm (7/7)
Whenever Novablast Wurm attacks, destroy all other creatures.
Is probably better in Elves mirror, if you get it ongoing you can't loose. It's quite slow which isn't good, but can answer any board state "IF" it attack.
Anyway, it's vs mirror only Elderscale is probably more universal vs some light removal decks, about Eldrazi I found they have big problems vs fast Progenitus (only answer is All is Dust which not always fast enough), but can be faster then Elderscale Wurm. Specially with chump blocks, vs Eldrazi I would rather recommend Novablast, single attack can clean table so even if they All in Dust before their lethal you get enough time to recover.
Novablast Wurm - is too slow in my oppinion and tie your hands too..
Elderscale Wurm - is more save gameplay, much better choice then novablast ... faster ,,panic break" and has much more options - burn, ru delver, mirror...
But what about our old antidelver friend - meekstone ? Its usuful in more matchups..
the only problem is manacost = 1 , so it dies on chalice... :( so its probably not the best option...
Then Ensnaring Bridge - again, if he has chalice, u r screwed :/ cose u have hand full of 1mana dorks..
What about Dismember? killing 5/5 .. so its kill everything exept the endless one
but killing one creature doesnt solve entire game.. so its not enough powerful :(
Another solution could be more devastating... go splash for red and Blood Moon ...
t2 Blood moon can slow eldrazi enough... and its usefull in much more mu
BUT if he played chalice before , your cavern become ... mountain xD
Does anyone think that regrowth could possibly be good in the sideboard. After playing Vintage Cube this past winter I always find that card to be underrated.
nah, rather pay one mana more for Zenitable eternal witness ....
How is the matchup vs Edrazi ?
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