All B/R update speculation.

[keys]

Happy about Eye (not Temple) ban. Slept on Visions and Thopter. Oops. Golem seems a bit harsh right after Chalice but I'm not a Shops player.

[Stuart]

Bummer about Lodestone. I haven't played Vintage since last summer, but Shops was my deck when I did.

Still, on days like today it feels good to play Legacy.

[iamajellydonut]

I just bought a playset of Jace vs Chandra duel decks just for the Ancestrals. That feels awful.

[Zombie]

vsl

vsl?

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

vsl?

Vintage super league

[supremePINEAPPLE]

vsl?

Vintage super league. Pros and vintage people playing vintage weekly. There is a lot of whining about shops.

[iamajellydonut]

I just bought a playset of Jace vs Chandra duel decks just for the Ancestrals. That feels awful.

Aaaand they're sold out or triple digits.

[HSCK]

This is one of the best announcements I've seen in a long time; if Top was on there it'd probably have been perfect.

[Ace/Homebrew]

I just bought a playset of Jace vs Chandra duel decks just for the Ancestrals. That feels awful.

That is awful... Enjoy your 100 Islands and Mountains.

[Zombie]

Vintage super league. Pros and vintage people playing vintage weekly. There is a lot of whining about shops.

So a bunch of people who get off on going Oath => Griseltard and Tidespouting each other?

[iamajellydonut]

That is awful... Enjoy your 100 Islands and Mountains.

I can only hope that they arrive miscut.

[Dice_Box]

So a bunch of people who get off on going Oath => Griseltard and Tidespouting each other?

In a nutshell, yes.

[Ace/Homebrew]

I can only hope that they arrive miscut.

Maybe they'll mail all the lands directly to your trash can to save you the trouble.

[iamajellydonut]

Maybe they'll mail all the lands directly to your trash can to save you the trouble.

On my doorstep I find a waterproof bubble mailer swaddled in blankets and strewn about it are basic Mountains and Islands getting rained on and just left to fend for themselves.

[Darkenslight]

In a nutshell, yes.

...and yet, there needs to be a Deck that simply is the Fun Police. And Shops was arguably that deck in Vintage.

Also, I'm really glad I managed to keep my Visions now that they're $50 a pop.

[alphastryk]

Restricting Golem was a really shitty move. Super disappointed.

[iamajellydonut]

Jesus Christ... today was a financially good day to be hitting F5. Swords and Foundrys sold out, too.

[Crimhead]

Anyway, I just don't see why anyone *needs* to play Earthcraft. I think there's kinda some libertarian tendencies for a lot of players where it's like 'the fewest cards that can be banned should be banned, keep Wizards out of the game'. But honestly what does Earthcraft add to the format?

Potentially a competitive Enchantress deck. It's like the Stage/Depths combo - not very interesting in a vacuum, but it just so happens to enable a unique deck which is interesting and does contribute to format diversity.

[Fox]

Restricting Golem was a really shitty move. Super disappointed.

I think on some level this kind of thing has to be done, with very close attention to statistics, for a deck that uses 4x Black Lotus: the land (in a format where we want to see 4 copies of workshops). The real question is whether or not 4/10 possible common taxing lock pieces [4x sphere, 4x thorn, 1x lode, 1x 3ball] moving to Sphere of Resistance is too much for the mana base to sustain (honestly it might be with the reemergence of crucible/standstill decks). I don't think it's all doom and gloom for shops in the long run, yes it's probably too severe in the short run, but I'm thinking a restriction like this opens the door for R&D to print a different type of taxing artifact (that will get restricted, but will ultimately help define the optimal/healthy number of viable taxers for the shops archetype).

[Star|Scream]

I just bought a playset of Jace vs Chandra duel decks just for the Ancestrals. That feels awful.

Can I buy your dazes?