It's for the Worldbreaker on the sideboard.Originally Posted by caprino
3-0 so far (see post on the previous post). List keeps working like a charm.
R3 was against Julian23 on Chaos Elves. G1 highlight was swinging with TKS, Displacer and 3 Mimics against a board of chump blockers (he was on 3 life and had to block), I flickered my TKS after blocks, pumping my Mimics and wiped his board.
Split the finals of a small Legacy GPT locally with a list very close to what has been discussed here. I ran 2 Displacers, 4 Reshapers, 4 Factories, 0 Wasteland. I think this minimal splash is definitely the strongest version of the deck I've tried so far. Displacer was key in several matches. Definitely would not have taken the tournament down without it.
Congrats on your finish! Ive been testing a very similar version too based on Barook's list a few pages back (2 Displacers, 4 Reshapers, 3 Factories but considering moving to a 4th instead of an Urborg).
Can you post your decklist please? What did you have in your SB and did you run Lotus Petals?
Certainly!
2 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Endless One
4 Matter Reshaper
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Lotus Petal
2 Warping Wail
2 Dismember
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
3 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
2 Karakas
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Tendo Ice Bridge
Sideboard
2 Pithing Needle
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Trinisphere
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Spatial Contortion
1 Warping Wail
4 Leyline of the Void
9 sources for the two Displacers seemed more or less adequate. As I expected, I occasionally had them stuck in hand due to lack of mana, but they are not the best early play anyway. It is much better to be able to play it last, when you already have a board presence, to falter some of their creatures in order to provide some reach. In several games, Displacer was used in this fashion - uncastable early, game winning once the white source was found.
My ideas about the sideboard are basically that none of the sweepers are any good; your plan in the grindy matchups is to be the aggressor, don't over-sideboard, and don't keep hands that lack serious aggressive potential. Mishra's Factory plays an important role in this plan. I beat D+T in this fashion during the tournament.
The only card that seemed kind of bad was Pithing Needle. It never does enough versus the equipment decks; I suspect one might just want to run the much narrower Null Rod and hope to fade the Lands matchup. Nothing I have tried has ever fixed that matchup anyway.
Took down Lejay on Shardless in the final round.
6-1 after 7 rounds with my new list in the Legacy challenge - Top 8 incoming!
I agree with the posters above - Displacers + Matter Reshaper is insane! Since they cover the weakness each other's list had, the result is extremely strong (although I prefer at least 3 Displacers with a 4th one as SB option.) 15-2 with the list in leagues + Challenge so far.
Yeah, it's been a fun ride figuring out what the deck is supposed to be doing, but I think we've finally come across something that feels "really correct". The sideboard still needs work, IMO.
The current number is 4 Reshaper, 2 Displacer. Is that the right split? Or should it be 4/3 or 3/3?
EDIT: Congratz on such a great record Barook!
Got 9th on breakers at tales today for the 1k . went 3-2.
rd 1 miracles . . He played MD moat, ruination and wear/tear. I lost game 1 . Game two he brings in another moat another wear/tear and 2 blood moon. he takes game 2. this was almost un-winable , by far the best miracles build I've played against.( he was also first seed going into top 8) ( 0-1)
rd 2 shardless He wins the roll, plays death rite .I play a chalice on 1 .He hymns ,gets my city of traitors hymns next turn and 2 ancestral visions bury me. Game 2 much of the same except hymn lilly and goyf get it done. (0-2)
rd 3 reanimator . I win the roll chalice on 1 he plays a brainstrom to check if i miss my trigger , i don't ,i see underground sea basic swamp and brainstorm before killing him. Game 2 i assume he's on some sort of reanimator i board in 4 leyline of the void its in my opener ,i win .(1-2)
rd4 metalworkerstax he makes 10 mana on turn three plays a forge master and lodestone golem attacks with a blight steel next turn . i have a mimic,mimic tks,smasher draw, mimics and revokers get there after i warping wail his metalworker. (2-2)
rd5 foodchain . He wins the roll, combos off on turn three .I take game 2 on the back of trinisphere, mimic endless one .endless one. I take game three with chalice on 1 into thorn into tks,smasher and endless one. (3-2)
Really wanna try the helm combo version maybe with 2 displacer. Deck was great all day . I could have played better especially rd 2 but overall i was happy with todays performance and the deck itself. Finding a good answer to moat/ blood moon is still on my agenda .
My list for reference..
4 eldrazi mimic
4 thought knot seer
4 reality smasher
4 matter reshaper
3 endless one
2 spirit guide
1 phyrexian revoker
2 endbringerr
1 phyrexian metamorph
4 chalice of the void
2 trinisphere
1 jitte
1 dismember
2 warping wail
10
4 tomb
4 eldrazi temple
3 eye of gin
3 city of traitors
3 cavern of souls
3 mishras factory
2 ghost quarter
1 waste
1 urborg
1 karakas
sb
4 leyline of the void
2 thorn
1 pithing needle
1 oblivion sower
1 warping wail
1 dismember
2 ratchet bomb
2 phyrexian revoker
1 batterskull
Last edited by metronome2charisma; 04-10-2016 at 06:34 PM.
I like it! Have you missed the Thorns at all? I've been trying to incorporate them into my list (currently -1 Metamorph, -1 Dismember, -1 Tendo Ice Bridge for +1 Lotus Petal, +2 Thorns from your version). I'm also trying the Helm combo in the side, though I'm not sure if that's going to stick long term or not.
Did you miss not having the Urborg at all? I'm torn between 3 Factories/1 Urborg or just going all out on Factories instead.
Again, congrats on your finish! It seems like this is a very solid direction to be going in.
@Barook - good luck in the top 8!!! Great to see you having such success
Beat Lejay again 2-1. Probably could have won G1 if I had played differently, but 2x Ancestral + active Sylvan Library was just too much in the end. But I like this new, hyperaggressive approach. Leyline did good work G3 to keep slow him down enough.
Top 4 incoming!
As for the lists, I think it's correct to run more white sources and more Displacers (like I do). Displacer is just such a good card in so many match-ups.
I'm not an Eldrazi player so take this interloper's thought with a grain of salt:
Given that the deck's only card selection tool is shut off by Blood Moon, any answer should be a broad one--and relevant to the deck's problem match ups--that you can load up on in the SB, like All Is Dust (or maybe Ratchet Bomb for reasons that include hitting Ensnaring Bridge).
Have you tested All Is Dust, and were you dissatisfied with it?
Nah, Thorns are not necessary. The combo matchups are already good enough that you don't need that effect mainboard. The Trinispheres are in the board because they also do work against things like Elves.
The Urborg was a tough cut, but I really wanted to try 4 Factory, and it seemed fine. I compensated by running Contortions instead of extra Dismember in the side, and that actually saved me in one game (where Dismember would have caused me to kill myself).
As for whether it's right to run more white sources, I generally don't feel tempted to. I generally like to build my decks very conservatively, and I don't want to mess with the core of 14 sol lands + 4 Caverns. Those have proven their worth in every version of the deck I've ever tested. Once you add in the Factories, I'm playing as many white sources as I possibly can, and with just 9, it doesn't make sense to run more than 2 Displacer.
Displacer is such a MVP this tournament.
Opponent rezzed my TKS and then exhumed Tidesprout. I topdeck Displacer, flicker TKS to get it back for me, taking his Ashen Rider from his hand (S&T was his other card) while also drawing a card. That totally annihilated his board position.
Now finals, most likely against the Mentor Miracle guy that I lost to. Time for revenge!
EDIT: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand won!
All is Dust MVP G3, sweeping his board of Mentor tokens, clearing the path to victory.
Great job dude!
Can we get a decklist?
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Ratchet bomb works its just a little slow, and for moat its really slow, I haven't played all is dust but i might give it a shot.
Same decklist as before
Overall, I'm 18-2 with the list now (I think a 20-0 would have been possible if played better/different lines were taken). I think we're done brewing, everybody go home. Displacer/Matter Reshaper is where it's at.
If there's interested, I could record the replays of the matches and upload them on Youtube later. Probably not before next weekend, though, as I have work to do and Dark Souls 3 is coming up.
All is Dust is basically uncastable in matchups where they disrupt your mana at all, such as D+T or Delver, or in matchups where you need to be able to cast it quickly, such as Elves or TES (when they go for Goblins). Ratchet Bomb evades these restrictions, but it is much weaker and much slower. Neither card is likely to be able to kill a Moat. Ratchet Bomb can't because it gives the Miracles pilot forever-and-a-half to find an answer. All is Dust won't, because any good pilot can see it coming from a mile away and will counter it easily. Even soft countermagic will do the job because it is so darn expensive. I still like Ratchet Bomb better, however. But perhaps a split would be appropriate.
Honestly, both cards are pretty bad, and one major source of my discontent with the development of the deck has been trying to search for reasonable alternatives. You need some kind of effect like it in the 75, though.
I disagree on All is Dust. While it can't get rid of Ensnaring Bridge and is way worse vs Pyromancer tokens, it's your best bet to win games vs control or other grindy decks. I had 0 All is Dusts countered today (IIRC) because I either took them with TKS or they ran out of counters due to other stuff.
3x AiD is what you want and definitely the right number. E.g. G2 and G3 of the finals were won of the back of All is Dust wiping out his Mentor army before going ham on his life totals. And my Miracles opponent was certainly no push-over, he was a very strong player.
When is World Breaker relevant (which MUs)? Does it help very much vs Blood Moon?Same decklist as before
Overall, I'm 18-2 with the list now (I think a 20-0 would have been possible if played better/different lines were taken). I think we're done brewing, everybody go home. Displacer/Matter Reshaper is where it's at.
If there's interested, I could record the replays of the matches and upload them on Youtube later. Probably not before next weekend, though, as I have work to do and Dark Souls 3 is coming up.
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