I'll third these feeling on the RUG Delver matchup. It's foolish to underestimate it.
Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual
Well, I'd still suggest the red splash, as Wear / Tear and Blood Moon, as well as Keranos are killers in those matchups. And MUD is a Legacy deck. It's pretty fringe and unstable at times, but it is a deck. Like it was said, you should be able to do it with a basic Mountain + Steam Vents.
Thanks guys! I think I'll start with one of LSV's lists and go from there.
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That may be true for Joe's list since he is/was relying more on Karakas and Cavern. I always fetch basics first (as you should be doing unless you really need the Tundra) so that shuts off Wasteland.
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
I actually don't think that's the best approach.
I'd highly suggest you pick one of the successful lists from here, as these lists are generally much more refined (and tested) than LSV's lists, no matter how good LSV is as a player. :D
RUG is, imo, a harder matchup than stuff life BUG and Grixis delver, due to mongoose. It is also the matchup that can lead to the most blowouts, as cb+top is actually a hardlock against them, compared to the two other variants. I found that you usually stabilise at around 5-6 life, if you end up winning.
In that case, does anybody mind posting their lists?
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This is a recent list that is a good place to start for a 4 Ponder build in my opinion. Some of the sideboard choices are metagamed, but you can update this as you go.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...?DeckID=100741
Edit: This is another one that was linked to a few pages back that might not be a bad place to start:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/20-02-16-QNS-miracles/
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Thank you! I'll be sure to tinker with one of these!
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I don't get how you can consider RUG Delver like the most favorable of the Delver matchups for Ponder Miracles.
IMHO it's by far the most difficult, like 50-50.
The most favorable seems to be Grixis, which doesn't play Decay, Stifle or shroud creatures. It's true they have Cabal Therapy, but they can't do anything after you assemble Top/CB and resolve a single Terminus.
Then comes BUG Delver, which has Decay and Tourach, but is particularly weak against Jace and obviously Terminus.
I don't really know which is easier between Grixis and BUG, but I'd say they are both 55-45 or maybe better.
RUG Delver, on the other hand, plays both Mangoose and Stifle, which are probably the best cards a Delver deck can play against Miracles.
From the sideboard they bring in Pyroblast and Library, so I guess games 2&3 are even tougher than game 1.
RUG Delver just has all the weapons both BUG and Grixis have, all in one deck. It just misses Decay, which I admit is a huge minus, but on the other hand it's so aggressive that it isn't really that easy to assemble the "combo" before you're already dead.
If your experience tells you RUG Delver is the easiest of the Delver decks, maybe you just played vs poor RUG Delver pilots.
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This Post is 100% fluff.
I am going to be playing some Miracles for the first time really ever tonight. I full expect to go 0-4 but have fun doing so. Can't wait to top all night.
Good luck!
Did some testing against Eldrazi yesterday. That matchup is absolutely terrible for us. 4 MB Cavern of Souls and MB Chalices make most of our deck really dead. Any advice for this matchup?
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Matchup is unfavored, but not insanely so.
It's close to MUD, just about a turn quicker. Terminus is excellent, as well is Jace. EtA are superior compared to mentor in the matchup.
Hey all, haven't posted on here in a while but BBD took my miracles list through a CFB video. The list was worked on by people that we mentioned earlier and he really liked the decklist for sure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjmsaVrPtsc
Liked the list, disliked his play with it :D
Yeah he definitely made a few incorrect decisions rounds one and two, round one mostly due to being pressed heavily on time and round 2, if Land grant wasn't bugged on mtgo, I think his play would have been FAR superior because he'd be able to make much more informed decisions.
I agree, it was mainly the "Lose to Blighted Agent with Spell Snare on top" :)
Yeah, Land Grant is pretty busted on modo. Impressive it still is, I saw this bug about 3 months ago.
Expected to go full 0-4 last night.
Ended up going 3-1 on my first time playing the deck.
Beat: Slivers, Miracles Mirror, & Eldrazi
Loss: Post MUD.
What I've learned:
-There is so much silly shit you can do with this deck that is just ridiculous, no wonder people get called for slow play so often.
- Moat is Really good against eldrazi
- Mentor is insanely good in my meta.
- Ugin is a card.
Deck list?
Preface this with 3 statements:
1. I don't know what I'm doing
2. I'm at work so I'll get a proper decklist later
3. I will probably forget to do #2.
Meat:
3x Snapcaster Mage
3x Mentor
1x V.Clique
Potatoes:
4x Terminus
4x STP
4x Top
4x CB
4x Ponder
4x Brainstorm
2x Jace the Mindsculptor
1x Entreat
2x Counter Spell
4x FOW
Lands:
4x Islands
2x Plains
4x Tarn
3x Strand
2x Volcanic
4x Tundra
2x Arid Mesa
SB
2x Canonist
1x Izzet flash haste pingy guy (thing to kill all the pyromancer tokens)
1x Containment Priest
1x Moat
2x Wear//Tear
2x Blood Moon
2x Pyroblast
1x REB
Some Deck choices:
2x JTMS vs 3. I only own the 2. I will probably save and get a 3rd.
No Councils Judgement. I ordered one but its in the Mail
3 Mentors Seems like too many: Well My plan was 2, but the shop only had 1 Entreat so... I added a 3rd mentor, I also figured I'm short a jace so why not.
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