I won't hide the fact that this is a guy I was spectating. Infact he is the very same player that smashed the eldrazi deck I was referring to earlier. He kept up a fetch until the very last moment->crack the fetch->glory.Originally Posted by Echelon
I will replace deluge with PoP, since PoP does better against the very same decks (except lands of course) I would have boarded in deluge AND at instant speed.
Do any of you think that it's possible to put together a more aggressive build running faster clocks that could complement Price more effectively? I could see it dealing 10+ frequently, but not actually killing just because the rest of our deck doesn't threaten life totals particularly quickly. Maybe a Jund build? I guess the nonbo that is Bloodbraid + Zenith/Explorer means we're lacking for a good midrange beater unless we want to try and run Reality Smasher. There's also Giant Solifuge which is a beating.
Edit: Dualcaster Mage saw a bit of play back when DTT and Cruise were all over, but he'd be pretty hilarious with more burn in the list.
I currently view PoP like a trick out of our bag that helps us push these last points of damage against slow decks like lands and BUG and can punishes out of nowhere monstrosities like eldrazi's 16 sol lands (more or less) mana base.
Just thinking that it's a lot more of a powerful play if we're already pressuring their life total in other ways.
Just put together something like this:
3 Forest
2 Mountain
2 Swamp
8 Fetchland
2 Bayou
1 Taiga
2 Badlands
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Eternal Witness
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Giant Solifuge
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Dualcaster Mage
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Diabolic Intent
3 Kolaghan's Command
3 Lightning Bolt
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Fireblast
Side:
2 Slaughter Games
2 Blood Moon
2 Price of Progress
2 Pithing Needle
2 Surgical Extraction
3 Thoughtseize
1 Chandra, Flamecaller
1 Golgari Charm
A shell like this could be pretty good for Huntmaster, since having a large amount of instant speed burn / interaction makes passing turn and flipping Huntmaster significantly more attractive (as does Tireless Tracker).
@Navsi, Do you keep vets in against miracles? I usually side them all out, but recently have been wondering about it.
@Everyone, how many vets / therapied do you keep in G2/3 against miracles?
I try to keep 0/0 postboard vs Miracles. At April's Mythic, I ended up leaving in Therapy vs my 2nd Miracles opponent, and boarded in Surgicals, because I didn't have Slaughters in the sideboard and tried to have a desperate "build-a-slaughter," basically. Therapy was distinctly mediocre postboard -- I did get to take away his Top g2 on the play, but then I drew another one halfway through the game when he had RIP out and was hellbent with a Top in play, and I was like, well, this is miserable.
PoP seems like entertaining tech, at least. I feel like it's something Matt should be working on, since he's played around with a lot of 4-color shells, either white jund or red junk. Rhino + PoP seems like an interesting direction to toy with. It still doesn't answer Miracles, but it does lock down some other matchups very convincingly.
Related topic: for red builds, Xenagos PW is worth considering, at least as a sideboard option. Spitting out a 2/2 haste satyr every turn is likely hell for Miracles.
Xenagod might not be bad either. He turns anything with 2+ power into a threat (also hilarious with Wolf Run) and is just as hard to remove, but zenithable.
I'm very interested in trying the PoP sideboard tech but while we're talking about spicy tech, I wanted to give a shout out to abeyance/Orim's chant again. For a deck like ours that is trying to survive to the late game, I feel like I've gotten huge tempo out of these effects outside of the obviously deeply satisfying deprivation of a miracles trigger or blanking suspended rift bolts/ancestral visions. I've even thought about trying to MB 2 of but would like to keep a couple in the SB at least
blergh, misread, great 1000th post
Hi all,
This is the deck that I'm planning to play the next week:
Maindeck:
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Thought-Knot Seer
1 Primeval Titan
1 Thragtusk
1 Thrun, the last troll
1 Eternal witness
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Huntmaster of the fells
2 Liliana of the Veil
3 Abrupt decay
3 Perniciuos deed
4 Green sun's zenith
4 Punishing Fire
4 Cabal therapy
3 Sensei's divining top
3 Swamp
3 Forest
1 Mountain
1 Wastes
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded foothills
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Kessig wolf run
61 Cards Total
Side:
3 Slaughter Games
2 Krosan Grip
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Pyroblast
2 Price of progress
1 Volcanic fallout
2 Diabolic Edict
1 From the ashes
Some thoughts:
As a Eldrazi player I already thought in PoP against them(us), with all the ancient tomb and dismember their life goes down really fast.
I expect a some number of reanimate, and as I'm not in junk I put diabolic edict in SB (also for S&T and edrazi) 2 Ooze maindeck too.
3 Thought-Knot Seer maindeck are quite easy to cast with the number "colorless" of lands that I run (groves, wrun, tower and the extra wastes) and is surprisingly easy to cast turn 2 via veteran + tower. TKS also helps with combo and D&T (being colorless is a plus against Moms)
There are a couple of cards that I want to try in jund as mana sink such as:
Rakdos's Return (could be a finisher and helps against miracles)
Nylea, good of hunt ("only" 4 cmc that can be zenithed and lategame with Ptitan allow us to make 5/5 trample-veteran explorer. Usually againt white decks titan dies at first sight) Another aplication is that she remains in game against terminus.
Vigor (would replace titan and could help against Painters and also with only one Eldrazi that we could block is the game is ours - maybe 2 MD?)
The issue with Jund are long games and I try to find the way to close them faster, any advice will be appreciated.
Are any of the Modo-ers thinking of entering in the Legacy challenge tournament thing on Saturday? I want to but I hvnt played the deck in 2 weeks and hvnt been playing this week because of severe jet lag. Haven't even played with tracker yet. Then again, might as well right?
I think I won't be able to
In my experience, 3 punishing fires is enough and then you are at 60 ^_^
EDIT: Legacy Challenge - I may try to but I am not sure where I stand. I will have to look into it.
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Work on a requirements doc for SB matches too. I've been working on my own, but lots of travel and little computer time has left me coming up short.
Plus, my default answer to almost every problem seems to be: "play more threats".
I was trying this with my (failed) Jund list a few pages back. Xenagod seemed interesting. I might try it in Junk and use it as an excuse for Taiga. Xenagod is very good against Terminus and Jace.
If you look for a threat in punishing fit, stormbreath dragon is the droid you are looking for.
hasty, pro removal, mana sink, fast clock , sadly non green.
I'll try. Your observation does mean there's some merit in the 4 PtE, 0 AD build and a lot of meat build I was (and still am) running.
Anyways. For Echelon-level crazy Jund Fit (read: NOT Punishing).
Creatures (13):
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
2 Eternal Witness
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
2 Stormbreath Dragon
Instants/Sorceries (19):
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Abrupt Decay
3 Price of Progress
3 Diabolic Intent
Artifacts (3):
3 Sensei's Divining Top
Enchantments (3):
3 Pernicious Deed
Lands (22):
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Mountain
2 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
Little bit of meat, lots of boom. The main objective here is to cast/loop a couple of Price of Progresses with the option to fall back on Stormbreath Dragon. Added in Volrath's Stronghold as a StP-proof way to make the loop. Diabolic Intent allows you to find any (and with some work all) pieces. Lots of fetches (and shuffle effects in general) and 3 SDT to help filter your draws/assemble the loop. It probably demands a radically different playstyle from its pilot than we're used to as normally we disrupt, establish and destroy rather than look to assemble an engine. It probably plays a lot like my old Summoner's Egg list, having to manoeuvre carefully before you go for it. Maybe we'd want to put a Banefire in there somewhere to deal with stuff that runs a lot of non-basics, I don't know. It'd be instead of a Stormbreath Dragon. Again, Diabolic Intent + SDT'd help find it.
So despite my jet lag delirium I entered a league last night and my first match was against miracles, my brain was not up for that challenge.. BUT what happened taught me a lot because I was winning all 3 games until I wasn't.
Game 1 Ewit and tracker drew me a bunch of cards, I did pop a vet because I had tracker out and he hadn't removed it yet but he did have the StP despite letting me get two clues already.. I was burying him in card advantage and had a tusk out as a threat with a Drs and Gsun zenith as back up in my hand. He entreats and I find deed with top to answer the Angels. However after some turns of snap caster STP and blocking I'm still winning but then he entreats again, GG
Game 2 I use TS to see his hand is bare bones and take a wear / tear so my SFM can do work. After trading a bunch in my favour, and casting painful truths I end up with a Gaddock teeg equipped with a SoFaI and an Abeyance in hand. GG
Game 3 I mulligan a no lander but recoup cards via Ewit and truths. Again I'm ahead after trades but he lands a moat so I don't bother casting my Thragtusk spend a turn digging and Gsun for Sigarda next turn with karakas to protect her. I know he has nothing in relevant in hand from thoughtisiezes and I'm definitely "winning" again, except I haven't found a needle, a teeg, a deed or an abeyance yet and eot entreats and kills me
So I was winning every game on every conventional metric, cards in hand, board presence, damage, knowledge of opponents hand except he instant speed summons lots of angels in three times between the two games I lose.
Conclusion: Cannot race entreat, have to answer it.
Loved Thoughtsieze.
Need more Deed (I was testing with two for the first time, don't like it already),
need more teeg (more aggressively searching, maybe play 2 like Matt),
need ways to protect teeg (SoLaS and Safekeeper),
seems like Sorin wouldn't have been relevant or necessary any of the games (as much as I love him),
surgical extraction was okay.
Need more Abeyance? (I always had mana open when he entreat, I play 2 and it's been a great timewalk against combo, maybe I'll try 3)
Or maybe we do need to supplement the above with Slaughter games...
I think I am going to enter the tournament on Saturday, so I'll be posting some sideboard ideas and lists today if people would be kind enough to give some criticism/thoughts
Some wonderful thoughts! Concerning your SBs and lists: Bring it!
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