Thoughts on Collective Brutality as a 3x of in the main?
Our meta is heavy with DRS so I am thinking a split of 2x Thoughtseize and 3x CB would be pretty good for game one.
I am also going to be trying a full 4x Show and Tell in the side along with 3x Pithing Needle. Needle has been so relevant I am thinking of experimenting with some number in the main as well. I just don't really want a target for Abrupt Decay. I think game 2 it will be much better since most decks will side out decay.
EDIT: I realize this was being discussed last page, sorry about that. Wasn't sure if people were running this in the main in the UB lists or not.
Thoughts on UB Reanimator for Vegas? I am up in the air between UB, RB, or BUG Delver.
Do you think UB can fight through the hate with some Collective Brutality and Show and Tell? Or is it just too slow?
You know the format is fucked when we're questioning whether u/b reanimator is too slow.Originally Posted by Venomous72
Lol yep. I know BR is about a turn faster but I lose to myself all the time with that deck.
Taking reanimator right now is suicide. Almost everyone is running 4 Surgical Extractions in sideboard. I would honestly stay away from both versions for a while, otherwise be prepared to be severely frustrated. Would much rather play delver and beat on those who will be playing reanimator since it is a free win for you. With FoW, Daze, Spell Pierce, Flusterstorm and Surgical Extraction, you will win every game post sideboard.
What??? :p Since when is this true?
It's a slight overstatement, but people are definitely ready for Griselbro.
Sure, but 4 Surgical is a lot more than anyone reasonably plays.
BR Reanimator spiked in power and so now people are actively dedicating sideboard slots to it. We'll suffer as a result. It's a common story; when Show and Tell based decks were hot, Containment Priests and rogue Ashen Riders became uncomfortable common. Sadly we're rarely hated out directly, rather we're highly susceptible to collateral hate that's effective against us.
Can we just start running more Show and Tells mainboard to make up for this? It makes us just slightly slower but it gets around all the Deathrites running around in game 1. I have ran 2 in the main and 2 in the side and it works well.
That has nothing to do with the format. It's about the meta. One cannot interchange these terms. Cheap graveyard removal go back to mtg's early sets and Surgical is not the
newest card either. It was always easy to hate out Reanimator but nowadays you have better reasons to do it.
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You could do that. I'm still of the opinion that Show and Tell asks us to do too much. Ours is a 2-card combo, except we're running 10 reanimation effects along with a myriad of ways to find creatures and get them into the yard. If you suddenly cut that down to 4 Show and Tells and then requiring the creature to stay in your hand, it's just a heavy ask on the deck. If I was really wanting to lean on Show and Tell, I'd run Sneak and Show.
But honestly I'm all for the success of Reanimator in any form. Good luck!
If Surgical Extraction is the most played sideboard hate that gets us (and I think it is), then I'd be maindecking a playset of Thoughtseize. Card's super disruptive while still operating as a combo piece. It does bring tension to your life total with Reanimate, so keep that in mind.
Personally I've moved onto fair decks due to my poor results at GP Louisville and the hate all over the meta.
Then again, BR Reanimator plays 4 Thoughtseize maindeck together with 4 Unmask. and post board games against blue decks with multiple Extractions in their sideboard are basically unwinnable.
Show and Tell has become my best friend in the curent sideboard meta.
The thing is that there is no competitive reason to play this deck over a classic SnT-based one such as Omnisneak or SneakShow at the moment. That's why I put all
the Brands and Reanimates in the binder; sad time.
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BR doesn't have Force/Daze or cantrips, so not only are they more glass cannon in their draws but they can't stop a topdecked second Surgical or Snapcaster. We can. So while I'm not excited to start jamming Reanimator again, I don't think the field is unplayable for us. IMHO a field full of Leylines or RIP are much, much worse. I have seen a fair number of Leylines though.
Another hedge you can make vs Surgical is a 1-of Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur. Guy still wins games.
Regarding Show and Tell, I have mixed feelings. My core thought is precisely what PirateKing said: its gameplan is at odds with ours. We want to cheat out of the graveyard, but Show and Tell requires it to be in hand. Major nonbo. That said, if you bump up your fatty density and run a significant amount of discard, Show and Tell can certainly get there. We're not a 4-of S&T deck, but 2-3 is what people usually run. Kind of makes me want to go grixis and try out a Burning Wish build.
I have been on the "no S&T" train for a long time but after trying it I have to say it works well and the times it's actually a dead card are pretty minimal between Brainstorming it away, casting it, or pitching it to Force. But it does very occasionally happen that you've discarded your creature and then draw Show and Tell. Not that often though. To me you're not usually wanting to discard a creature anyway unless you actually have a Reanimate in hand.
Sometimes, too, you can cast Show and Tell to draw out a counterspell when you have Entomb + Reanimate in hand, or try Show and Tell first with creature + Study in hand and THEN discard your creature to Reanimate it. It's useful more often than not and, to me, blanking all hate other than Containment Priest is worth the very occasional nonsynergistic draw. At least in a field full of DRS.
Hey guys, why did not anyone think about connecting the advantages of both Reanimator worlds (BR=Speed UB=consistency) yet? Any open minded people here ? ;-)
As a start i would simply take a BR list and throw in 4 Brainstorm. Brainstorm is similar to Ancestral in Reanimator, since you will always have cards you do not need in your hand (redundant creatures/reanimates/lands...). Adding cantrips (ponder beeing the next candidate to fit in) also improves on mulligans, which RB is weaker than UB lists. You will still have the power of RB variants Ritualing all stuff out on Turn 1 etc.. I'd say Force of Will is not really supportable in this (at least not as a 4 of) but Unmask has proven its power, so no big problem. Careful Study will obv. replace Looting. Loosing flashback hurts a little though. Another gainer is that Show and Tell suddenly becomes a SB option without hurting the mana.
A rough sketch would look like this. The creature choice i'll let to your personal (metagame) taste. (If you ask me, Elesh sits on the bench and i don't like drawing multiple Chancellors):
4 Griselbrand
3-4 Chancellor of the Annex
0-1 Iona
1 Tidespout Tyrant
0-1 Grave Titan
0-1 Sire
0-1 Elesh
10
4 Careful Study / 4 Entomb
4 Exhume / 4 Reanimate / 1 Animate Dead
4 Unmask / 2 Thoughtseize / 1 Collective Brutality
4 Brainstorm
28
4 Lotus Petal / 4 Dark Ritual
8
4 Underground Sea
8 Fetch
1 Island
1 Swamp
14
I absolutely want some number of ponders here. It's too good to ignore. But i'll leave it for the moment as it is to let you think about the idea. I'll def try this type on next weeks local legacy. Have fun.
Current Legacy decks:
Turbo Nemesis
Sneak and Show
Reanimator
Tin Fins
GW Enchantress
Toss in 4x Shallow Grave, Children and Emrakul, and you've got the same deck people came up with in the Tin Fins thread. Check it out:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post992293
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