Modern Masters 2017

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

Lolwut? Why is Basilisk Collar a $20 card?

Eldrazi Tron in modern

[MaximumC]

Based on Lili value and the rest of the set, I'm guessing no Rishadan Port reprint.

Lets see how it turns out ;)

Is.. is this a running joke? Yall know that Port is not mofern legal, right?

[mistercakes]

so last green mythic is tarmogoyf?

[Claymore]

The current box EV is estimated around $290 (even after the typical price fall of ~40%), which is pretty big for these Masers sets. The last few have been $185 - 215. Original MM is around $400.

We may see the values drop even more than usual to bring the EV down to $200, especially if the rumored 5x print run is true.

If they're really going to crush Modern value, they'll put in Goyf as the Green mythic and stomp out modern prices. However, it's not unheard of to print unbalanced Mythics, so Green could be shafted here. People aren't expecting Goyf.

I don't expect Collar to maintain at all, it was a buyout driven spike.

[MaximumC]

The current box EV is estimated around $290 (even after the typical price fall of ~40%), which is pretty big for these Masers sets. The last few have been $185 - 215. Original MM is around $400.

We may see the values drop even more than usual to bring the EV down to $200, especially if the rumored 5x print run is true.

If they're really going to crush Modern value, they'll put in Goyf as the Green mythic and stomp out modern prices. However, it's not unheard of to print unbalanced Mythics, so Green could be shafted here. People aren't expecting Goyf.

I don't expect Collar to maintain at all, it was a buyout driven spike.

I don't think they need Goyf. The number of chase mythics and rares with Liliana, Snappy, and the Fetches alone is enough to ensure this set is going to sell out fast and hard, and probably get cracked. Combine that with a (rumored) larger print run, and I am looking forward to a bloodbath in prices on the non-chase cards. Even the recent spikes like Shadow and Collar are probably going to get cut in half, at least, while the set is opened.

This is gonna be a nice season to buy singles!

[s&s]

I don't expect Collar to maintain at all, it was a buyout driven spike.

Collar is still plenty available in Europe.

6 NM English ones on MCM under 10$ each. Spike not going to hold until end of the week indeed.

[Claymore]

This is the data sheet in reference - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Ze4/edit#gid=0

To hit EV of around $215 (MM15 and closer to MSRP than $290), we'll need an average 60% price drop across all cards.

Mythics have generally fallen 20%, Rares by 50%, but those EV hits are 35-40%. Looks to be large drops incoming in my opinion. Some may rebound sharply (like Liliana since you need 3-4) and cause connected cards (Bob, Goyf) to increase as well as modern Junk/Jund/Shadow get popularity with the newly available fetches and Lilianas.

[big_ticket]

very happy to see lotv get reprinted

[Darkenslight]

This is the data sheet in reference - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Ze4/edit#gid=0

To hit EV of around $215 (MM15 and closer to MSRP than $290), we'll need an average 60% price drop across all cards.

Mythics have generally fallen 20%, Rares by 50%, but those EV hits are 35-40%. Looks to be large drops incoming in my opinion. Some may rebound sharply (like Liliana since you need 3-4) and cause connected cards (Bob, Goyf) to increase as well as modern Junk/Jund/Shadow get popularity with the newly available fetches and Lilianas.

Yeah, I've been really impressed with the distribution of notable cards, and all fo the Rarity shifts have been somewhat logical.

[Dice_Box]

Blood Moon is in.

[RobNC]

Still one more green mythic to go today, crossing my fingers for Tarmogoyf.

Voice of Resurgence was also spoiled, although honestly I think I'm more excited for cheaper Elemental tokens than I am for the card itself. The Dragon Maze tokens are $5-6 usually. The Young Pyromancer reprint in EMA made its tokens significantly cheaper.

[Claymore]

With Blood Moon and Voice they're really going to nuke Modern's value from orbit, assuming the printing information rumors are legit.

This is a pretty huge change from how they've handled these sets in the past.

[Dice_Box]

With Blood Moon and Voice they're really going to nuke Modern's value from orbit, assuming the printing information rumors are legit.

This is a pretty huge change from how they've handled these sets in the past.

I am about to lose a metric ton of value from my personal collection (That I wouldn't sell anyway, it's for playing with) and I hope they really do print this like hell.

[RobNC]

Someone on reddit joked it's the next Chronicles, pointing out it's definitely Chronicles now that Blood Moon is in.

I think pack and box prices will keep it from being a true Chronicles, though. Box preorders are already well over $200USD when they were starting in the 170 range before spoilers started. Things will even out eventually, the market corrects itself. I don't care about all the value I'm losing now as I'll be able to afford more things to play and more people will also be able to afford Modern/Legacy for me to play with.

I also hope Wizards prints the shit out of this and makes a ton of money, as that's more incentive to keep making more awesome sets.

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

$40 Cavern of Souls confirmed at mythic rare.

[H]

$40 Cavern of Souls confirmed at mythic rare.

I think that art is a definite upgrade, but I'm not really going to move my playset, reprint sets really screw up my collection storage scheme.

I would like a print of that art though, Richard Wright does some nice stuff.

[RobNC]

Bummer they couldn't keep the original art on that one. Glad I have my AVR playset, even though I'm sure they're going to tank in price now.

Overall I'm quite pleased how many cards are keeping their original art, especially Lilana; it always feels wrong when such iconic cards change.

[CptHaddock]

I am about to lose a metric ton of value from my personal collection (That I wouldn't sell anyway, it's for playing with) and I hope they really do print this like hell.

Same here, I know that there have been 1-2 newer players at the locals who have slowly been building up their decks and this set gives them access to a few of the cards that they need. Hell i'm going to pick up a few cards that I have wanted for a while but I didn't want to really shell out money for. It's going to be great hearing the "but muh investment" crowd bitch and moan for the next couple of months.

I'm not sure what caused WoTC's mindset about the secondary market to change but i'm glad that they did so, and hopefully this carries onwards past this set.

[frogczar]

Same here, I know that there have been 1-2 newer players at the locals who have slowly been building up their decks and this set gives them access to a few of the cards that they need. Hell i'm going to pick up a few cards that I have wanted for a while but I didn't want to really shell out money for. It's going to be great hearing the "but muh investment" crowd bitch and moan for the next couple of months.

I'm not sure what caused WoTC's mindset about the secondary market to change but i'm glad that they did so, and hopefully this carries onwards past this set.

This. I hope this is a dry run for REAL reprints to support older formats. Could we have this kind of set for another Eternal Masters? We'll see what the fallout from this set is for the secondary market. I'm pleased that WoTC finally grew a pair and really went after the out-of-control secondary market prices.

Now just get rid of the Reserved List and reprint the ABUR dual lands and we'll breathe some life into Legacy.

[PirateKing]

I'm not sure what caused WoTC's mindset about the secondary market to change but i'm glad that they did so, and hopefully this carries onwards past this set.

Well they dipped their toes in with the sets prior, and the water's seemed fine. Now they've waded in to the point that the water touches your junk, so we'll see if they keep going or jump out.