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    Planeswalkers?
    They don't trigger this guy directly, but you can certainly burn out their Jace if they spin Top and then crack a fetch.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    SDT, Fetches, Wastes, Ports, Vials, KotR, equipment, SFM, manlands, what else am I missing that's super common?
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    Harsh Mentor says Artifact, Creature or Land.
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    Harsh Mentor says Artifact, Creature or Land.
    Yeah. No planeswalkers or enchantments...

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    Wow, that card is insane. I hope this means people might consider going back to more streamlined decks like RUG delver that don't play 4 damn colors and rely on Deathrite to stitch it all together. Probably wishful thinking to assume Burn will become that big a player in the meta tho.
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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    Wow, that card is insane. I hope this means people might consider going back to more streamlined decks like RUG delver that don't play 4 damn colors and rely on Deathrite to stitch it all together. Probably wishful thinking to assume Burn will become that big a player in the meta tho.
    Jokes on you, since this is one-sided, Miracles will run this in their 75 and roflstomp any opposition left even harder.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    Unfortunately, many people continue to ask for new sledgehammers.
    Posted that a few weeks ago in the thread about Miracles and polling Legacy experts. Now we have a new sledgehammer. Designs like this are pretty awful for the game. At least make it symmetrical. Pushed hate bears like this shift strategies in ways that are less interactive.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Few quick thoughts after ~34 seconds of testing:

    + Can force decisions and weird sequencing, like playing a fetch on turn one out of fear, when you normally wouldn't with a Brainstorm in hand, etc.
    + All kinds of applications besides fetches. It's nice to have both this and Eidolon in play against a Vial deck, for instance
    - Isn't "guaranteed" 2 damage like Eidolon, if the opponent doesn't need to fetch to remove it (this one actually feels kind of big)

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    Jokes on you, since this is one-sided, Miracles will run this in their 75 and roflstomp any opposition left even harder.
    Does Miracles want to play the punishing damage game though? I don't play Miracles, but I feel like this sort of card isn't their thing.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    I see this making a large impact on Modern, not as big on Legacy. I see it being a strong influence yes, but as a player in the overall game, not as a cornerstone in a plan of attack.
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    Cool thing about the card is that it's damage, not life loss. This means if Jace ever tries to bounce this guy, he dies. can be shot with it.

    Also super happy they didn't make it legendary. Only downside is being in the literal worst colour for creatures in Legacy.
    ...I think we may hyave Red's OP two-drop. This is seriously powerful.

    I'm not sure if this just belongs in Burn, or if there's a deck that can build around this. But this is a very powerful piece of card, and likely the chase Rare of the set. Which is saying something.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    After thinking about it some more, I'm not sure that Nissa is going to be very good in any format.

    To get her "busted" phase, you need to use the 0 ability a lot, but it only works on lands and creatures, and you need to be able to manipulate the top of your library - which means either Sylvan Library or Top (BS can do it as a one time effect), it also means you need to be running a fair number of creatures and lands in Legacy.

    In Modern and Standard there aren't any "top of the library" manipulators, so you're a lot worse off there. Best case scenario you get a land or critter every other turn after setting up with her +2, but that assumes you don't shuffle or draw after using it, and that her +2 is able to put a good creature or land 2 down, which most of the time? It won't be able to.

    Probably her best bet in Std/Mdrn is to work as a pseudo-Sylvan for 3 mana that occasionally whacks people with elemental lands.
    Not exactly a superb card in today's meta on its own, but it'd work well with Scroll Rack too.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Feel a bit too slow in anythings that's not burn tbh.

    Maybe Red Taxes?

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    it's one sided.
    every aggro deck will love to play 4 of them.
    your fetchlands are bolts to yourself dear countertop player not to mention top activation

    UR Delver is becoming insane. to activate DRS to take life back is going to cut you 2 life.

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    My pov on the mentor.

    Let's say that, on average, each turn the opponent is using an ability that triggers the mentor.
    The card would be a 2 drop that beats for 4 each turn, acting basicly as a 4/2 for , there will be cases when the card will be able to pump more than 2 damage per turn, but surely there will be cases when the card won't do damage at all.
    I am not sure if the card will do better than a 4/2 because it can still do damage without attacking or if just being able to do dps more reliably would be better.

    I don't think a 4/2 would be good enought to be played in legacy, looking at the current decks it could be played mostly in burn variants, and those decks desperatly need to have reliable sources of damage, this card may act as a vexing devil, too unreliable to be played.

    The card is a grizzly bear in some MU, but not many, but could easily do nothing against a lot of decks, delver can most likely mitigate the damage taken from it and is likely to stop its attacks, eldrazi can just ignore it.

    The main decks that could lose to this card are miracles, due to the spam activations of sdt and the constant need to fetch, taxes if the player is forced to activate vial multiple times and has no gainlife at hand (it's pretty important to note that this card on board prevents jitte from gaining hp, forcing the first 2 counter to be "wasted" on it).
    Is still true that the card can trade 1x1 without doing any damage, which is pretty bad for burn decks.

    I really don't know, the potential is huge
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    Not exactly a superb card in today's meta on its own, but it'd work well with Scroll Rack too.
    I'm playing Nissa in my UG Turbo Eldrazi deck 4sure. I don't know in what capacity yet but I preordered a playset just in case

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    There's a big difference between a 4/2 and something that say shock on upkeep. 4/2s can't attack into anything.

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    4 Mentor
    4 Eidolon
    4 Fireblast
    4 Exquisite Firecraft
    4 Swiftspear
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    This deck only needs 1 more big uncounterable shot like Firecraft to go tier 1. Let's wait for it in the next expansions

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    4 Mentor
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    4 Exquisite Firecraft
    4 Swiftspear
    16 Bolt

    This deck only needs 1 more big uncounterable shot like Firecraft to go tier 1. Let's wait for it in the next expansions
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    I'd prefer a 4-5 damages one

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Vanilla Mythic. Remember when Mythic were meant to be cards that where flavour suited to the rarity? Yea, me either.

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