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    How many people at a legacy PT would actually own the cards they are playing though? Could be due to SCG predicting more eyeballs on the format but to me it seems more like a coincidence.

    Glad I got my beta lands duals instead of stupid blue cards though, seas are for chumps.

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    Re: [Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    This was brought to my attention and is likely the reason for the hike:

    http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...lds-2017-07-19

    Legacy in the PT.
    So why did SCG jack up the prices, just before the PT announcement did come out? This seems suspicious as hell.

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    Re: [Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by supremePINEAPPLE View Post
    How many people at a legacy PT would actually own the cards they are playing though?
    I'd guess only a very small amount. Pretty sure the majority of "Pro" players dislike Legacy quite a bit.
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    I'd guess only a very small amount. Pretty sure the majority of "Pro" players dislike Legacy quite a bit.
    Citation needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptHaddock View Post
    Citation needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    I'd guess only a very small amount. Pretty sure the majority of "Pro" players dislike Legacy quite a bit.
    You're confusing that one with Standard - the format artificially maintained with tournament support by WotC. Let's be honest - who would keep playing this PoS if it had Legacy-tier tournament support? Not many.

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    I've heard that pros don't like Legacy simply because it's hard to test for; the format is so wide and can be very random so innovation can be difficult. That's why so many of them just pick up a Delver deck or, more commonly, Show and Tell.

    You of course get the Legacy experts that pick up Lands, Miracles, or get something new with Leovold BUG, but typically I've heard pros will just pick up a tried and true safe staple list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post
    I've heard that pros don't like Legacy simply because it's hard to test for; the format is so wide and can be very random so innovation can be difficult. That's why so many of them just pick up a Delver deck or, more commonly, Show and Tell.

    You of course get the Legacy experts that pick up Lands, Miracles, or get something new with Leovold BUG, but typically I've heard pros will just pick up a tried and true safe staple list.
    Sounds like they're a bunch of suckers.

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    I don't know about the exact % of pros that like Legacy, but I've seen Owen Turtenwald, Reid Duke, Patrick Chapin, LSV, and Paolo Vitor Damo Da Rosa all go on record in some form or another saying that they enjoy Legacy.

    It's Modern that the Pros hate among the formats.

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    Reid Duke and Andrea Mengucci post Legacy videos pretty regularly.

    I think there are two types of career pros - the ones who are all-in on the grind and devote all their time preparing for Pro Tours and Grand Prix (Standard, Modern, Draft), and those who just love the game and happen to be damn good so they still play their favorite formats when they can (Legacy, Vintage, Cube), much of the latter group being people who've played the game a very long time.

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    Re: [Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post
    I've heard that pros don't like Legacy simply because it's hard to test for; the format is so wide and can be very random so innovation can be difficult. That's why so many of them just pick up a Delver deck or, more commonly, Show and Tell.

    You of course get the Legacy experts that pick up Lands, Miracles, or get something new with Leovold BUG, but typically I've heard pros will just pick up a tried and true safe staple list.
    lol that must be a joke. Very little changes in legacy and thus it is easy to learn. When a set releases, in legacy you get 2-3 new cards, in standard you get like 2-3 new decks. Sure everything rotates eventually but after playing for a few years you've learned more decks than you'd ever need to know about in legacy.

    Innovation isn't difficult because the format is random, it is difficult because the format is mature. The cards used in all decks are among the BEST in the game. You cant get away with playing ANYTHING that is subpar. So sure, its easy to come up with a tier 3 deck, but there is very little opportunity to design a new deck. New decks are driven by the 2-3 cards each set that enter the legacy pool.

    Legacy i think, is more about knowing the format and out playing your opponent than having a superior deck.
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    Re: [Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

    I get the reserved list inflates prices, but arenít some of the duel prices skewed in the wrong direction? For example, Living Plane is $153 but all the lesser used duels are below $90 ? (taiga/scrubland/badlands/plateau) And these cards are actually used. (well except plateau) Anyone have an explanation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moosedog View Post
    I get the reserved list inflates prices, but arenít some of the duel prices skewed in the wrong direction? For example, Living Plane is $153 but all the lesser used duels are below $90 ? (taiga/scrubland/badlands/plateau) And these cards are actually used. (well except plateau) Anyone have an explanation?
    Old School. There's a deck that uses Living Plane, as well as various decks that use lesser known cards on the RL.

    http://www.wak-wak.se/9394/archetypes
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    Re: [Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Moosedog View Post
    I get the reserved list inflates prices, but arenít some of the duel prices skewed in the wrong direction? For example, Living Plane is $153 but all the lesser used duels are below $90 ? (taiga/scrubland/badlands/plateau) And these cards are actually used. (well except plateau) Anyone have an explanation?
    You have to compare apples to apples!

    It's a Legend's rare with a powerful-but-unique ability (so compare it's price to Eureka, Invoke Prejudice, All Hallow's Eve, and Mirror Universe) that doesn't see any real play in 60-card formats.

    The closest card to Living Plane specifies that all Forests become 1/1's. It is a collectible and sees light EDH play in combination with Linvala, Keeper of Silence. It might also get some action in Old School (93/94), but I'm not sure because I do not follow that format.

    Edit - Teluin confirmed it sees 93/94 play. My work computer nearly blew up when I clicked that link... Can anyone post the list that plays Living Plane? I'd be curious to see how it is used.

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    Re: [Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew View Post
    Edit - Teluin confirmed it sees 93/94 play. My work computer nearly blew up when I clicked that link... Can anyone post the list that plays Living Plane? I'd be curious to see how it is used.


    That's what he was linking to but that site is not really link friendly in formatting.
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    Re: suspicion of SCG acting on tip of a Legacy portion, the answer from Ben Bleiwess : https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/co...today/dkfxcmq/

    And just a "random" excerpt :

    8) As always, SCG is in favor of abolishing the Reserve List. We'd rather sell 4x Underground Sea for $100 than one for $400. More people playing = more cards sold = better health for the game long-term. I believe WOTC has made it abundantly clear that they aren't even willing to address the Reserve List at this time - but if they ever were, I'd be happy to lead the charge in favor of getting rid of it.
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    The GP announcements today pretty much confirmed that they knew. A PT won't move prices but 6 GPs in the first half of the year featuring at least some Legacy sure could.

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    Re: [Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

    When it comes to cards like Living Plane, it's one of the many cards from Legends that's been subject to buyouts due to being Reserved List and also the low print run of the original expansions. That's half the reason obscure cards from Arabian Nights are sky-high in price, too. And as said before, 93/94 demand has also shot stuff up a bit and the format has given speculators a number of targets.

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    Urza's Bauble now $5-10.

    https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/15054

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    That seems high to me.
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