I don't think others will agree with me but I feel that words are too easy to type and post on a forum. If Craig really wants people to go, "wow, he's really sorry", or "wow, he was really a man about it", then he would give his GP earnings to Drew. My rationale is that Craig is admitting he did something he regrets and feels sorry about, and it was because of his actions that Drew was out of the top 8 where he would have earned a minimum of $1,000. I think people ought to be made to pay for their mistakes and a public letter saying sorry, to me, is just barely enough. I don't think a public apology is going to make people think he is less of a douche and I don't think people will think some words typed and posted on the internet is fair compensation for what happened. Drew, of course, also made a mistake; no one is denying that. But if we are talking about Craig and Craig's desire to not only salvage his repuation but also do the right thing, I think some kind of compensation is called for, and giving Drew Craig's GP earnings (much less than $1,000) is at least a step in the right direction.Originally Posted by luckme10
I don't expect this to be a popular opinion or for anyone to agree, but there ya go. Words are too easy... put up or shut up.
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Unbelievable.
Oh, he interpreted. He was unclear of his obligations. Poor ingenuous and well intentioned little Pro. He was simply doing what he thought was the right thing to do... Swindler.
We may now add "cynic" and "floppy" to the list of scornful adjectives he became meritorious this week.
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Craig Wescoe just gave another proof of what an epic douche bag he is - and even worse now...
He earned the "Bastard of the year" in my personal rating.
As MMogg said, Craig should give his GP money to Drew Levin. And he need to do that quietly, without "Hey, look, I did..." public articles in internetz. Someone else should point that fact - and only after that Craig will become a man in my eyes.
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@Silvergreen- I lold at the whole post; Floppy, meritorious, Wescumbagger......all great words.
The apology is short, Although better than nothing, but it needz MOAR Chapin!
Honestly, I sorta agree with Zvi's earlier tweet, DQing someone for betting on their own performance is retarded. Unless they're betting AGAINST themselves.
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Forced non-apologies that fail to recognize any level of culpability mean very little. He has the ability to mitigate the damage he's caused. Let him.
I think sort of the funny thing here is that Wescoe has completely alienated himself from every single facet of the Magic playing community. New and casual players aren't going to forgive him since he screwed over someone on their first big tourny top 8 for a joke bet; competitive players know that the pros make such bets all the time and recognize him as an unbelievable douchebag hypocrite. Basically the guy's sympathetic target audience is limited to a few fanboys and his mom.
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I haven't seen anyone mention something very cynical and that is the potential that this letter of apology is part of an agreement to keep Wescoe on as a SCG writer. If Wescoe is being as alienated as we think, keeping him on as a paid author might be bad for SCG's image. So maybe this was their way of letting him stay. I'm horrible for suggesting that and it's utter trashy gossipy speculation, but isn't it delicious?
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Un-fucking-believable. This letter just makes things worse. Craig Wescoe is a fucking underpants gnome. His height shoud have tipped everyone off earlier. This seems to be his plan:
Phase One: Use an improper rule, and an immature opponent who just beat my ass for Top 8 at a Grand Prix, to try and force the judge's hand at reporting even the slightest appearance of wagering, to weasel for an unearned win. Completely alienating the Magic community who sponsors me, as well as the Pros whom with I will have to compete in the future in order to try make my current living.
Phase Two:????????
Phase Three: PROFIT!!!!
Good luck with that, buddy.
Props to PV, pikula, and everyone else for calling him out on his douchebaggery. All the judges here post what they post because they see it from a judging angle, and of course Wescoe was 'legal' and 'right' according their written set of rules.
But it was a dick move, and he's a douchebag who should be surprised his tires weren't slashed despite all the talk at the GP about it. He deserves all the hate he's receiving.
And that letter is a joke. He's sorry that he tried to fish for the win and ended up in a lose-lose situation of both not making the t8 AND getting all this hate.
Did this guy really just refer to himself as a "professional member of the community"? Because if he did, I am trying to base my assumptions on his level of play by measuring his actions over his intentions.
Apparently not, because you acted with impulse rather than your head which is why you chose to stand up, walk over to a judge, and say something about something really so trivial as soon as the match was over, that you knew there would be some some of repercussion for the guy you just played. Rules were not misinterpreted; you made the choice to go and say something - no one but you - made the choice. And in doing so, there is no question - no question - something would be done that would not end up good for your opponent. You took a gamble and put your integrity on the line (probably without even knowing it), and it cost you big."...my course of action was unwarranted and based on a misunderstanding of the rules."
And now, you're apologizing. You have only yourself to blame, Craig Wescoe - only yourself. Whether or not you felt it was unwarranted is irrelevant; what is done is done and there are consequences.
When a spectator says something outside the realm of the game, that's a completely different story, because then you'd be judged on your good character and integrity instead of your unwarranted actions (undoubtedly fishing for a decision in your favor), which is the basis for this entire thread to begin with.
Wow. That face. Can you imagine that face saying that apology with any sincerity at all? Can you? I sure can't. Donate his winnings to charity. And lose some matches on purpose to give himself a lower ranking. But I imagine he'll do none of those things. Because, well, look at that face!
And Wescoe's still fishing. It was obvious that Drew's statement wasn't directed at Wescoe, considering that myself and several others had congratulated Drew upon completion of the match and that Drew was looking in the direction of me or Parcher when he made that joke.
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I like how now it was a "substantial wager."
I wonder how far in his mouth he can get his foot. I daresay I'm already impressed, and I guess it gives him another career option now that this Magic thing clearly isn't going to work out.
Whatever, you're making too much out of it. It might not seem fair, but the reaction is disproportionate in kind. Early in my trading "career," I thought I could get 4 Mana Drain for $200, or a similarly low number. I was taken. It was a lot of money for me at the time (well, it still is--actually, it's more now!), and I pressed charges (which went nowhere, despite the guy being well-known to police). It was unfair, and it upset me. But at the same time, I recognized that greed got the better of me: it's not my fault that I was defrauded, but the fraud was preceded by a serious lapse in judgement on my part. Yeah, it sucks, but I learned my lesson and got over it.
The same applies here, and was evidenced in the dude's blog post. Yes, he was cheated out of money and a good finish. By the same token, he made a significant error in judgement, and has learned from it. There's nothing to be done, and the other guy's actions are sufficiently within the purview of the rules to warrant a less scathing treatment. If pros gamble all the time, take it up with Wizards and take it out on the pros who have done it rather than on the guy who ratted someone else out (no matter how shady it might have been).
And, in all honesty, it was a bad joke anyway. I have a hard time imagining it being particularly amusing (or even chortle-worthy) even given perfect delivery. And that's the trouble with really bad jokes: it can be hard to tell that they're jokes, on account of how few people are laughing.
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This is actually the first time I've heard about Wizards taking action on betting. I've bet with several members and a few banned ones at events on who would have the better record. It's even in a few of my reports.
He calls his articles 'The Wescoe Connection'. Here's my Wescoe Connection (sung to Kermit the Frog's 'Rainbow Connection').
The Wescoe Connecton
Why are there so many
rumors about Wescoe
and whom he's trying to misguide?
Wescoe's derision
comes from his delusions
So he must have something to hide
We've been told lies and some choose to
believe him
I know they're wrong wait and see
Someday he'll admit it
The Wescoe Connection
Drew Levin, Bertoncinni and he
Who said his wish to
Top 8 would be answered
Like he's some midget Bob Maher
So he fished for cheating
And someone believed it
And look what it's done so far
What's so amazing
Has shown in his phrasing
in his joke of an apology
Someday we'll find it
That Wescoe Connection
And who buys this philosophy?
Rot in your own private Hell,
Your days are numbered playing Magic....
The Pros have been talking
Have you heard the voices?
Well I've heard them mention your name
Is this the sweet sound that,
speaks of retribution
That voice might be one and the same.
I've heard it too many times to ignore it,
It's something that we all want to see
Someday you'll find it
The Wescoe connection...
Can't wait 'til you face Gerry T
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Well, it's good to see that Wescoe is showing remorse...about the damage to his reputation.
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