All B/R update speculation.

[Crimhead]

I was talking about the "suggest better Brainstorm hate" part.

Too late now, we all know what you did (and where you did it)!

[Erdvermampfa]

Assuming it is legit the second twitter screenshot from a few posts above is even more disheartening than the brainstorm thing. It's basically a concession that they've given up on eternal formats...("100% managed for the people who already play it"). I really wonder what made them abandon Legacy, the trauma after their failed misstep experiment from 2011? The RL can't be the reason because obviously they do not consider skyrocketing modern prices an issue either since they don't take action against those at all (100€ Liliana from 2011 anyone?) This really makes reconsider if it's worth to to continue engaging with MTG in general.

[Ace/Homebrew]

No changes.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/game-in...ned-restricted

[maharis]

Earthcraft still too strong for Legacy

See you guys in late June

[pettdan]

Am I really first with this? No changes all formats.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/article...ent-2018-04-16

Edit: of course not. ;)

[Echelon]

Called it!

[Barachai]

They were good about explaining their logic with the previous B&R announcements, disappointed with the lack of thoughts with this one.

[Phoenix Ignition]

Question to the cantrip haters.

What deck would you like to see viable in legacy right now?

(Please, no shitty answers, im asking about precise decks)

Zoo. I don't play it but I think it's a litmus test for the health of the format. If Zoo needs Blue, the format is getting too homogeneous or dominated by some other overpowering strategy.

[Amazingxkcd]

They were good about explaining their logic with the previous B&R announcements, disappointed with the lack of thoughts with this one.

check Aaron Forsycthe's twitter regarding their thoughts

[Claymore]

Yep, not even an acknowledgement of the format. Or any format.

No money to be gained means no changes.

[Mr. Safety]

Zoo. I don't play it but I think it's a litmus test for the health of the format. If Zoo needs Blue, the format is getting too homogeneous or dominated by some other overpowering strategy.

+1

I really wish I could still be swinging with Wild Nacatl...

[Claymore]

The only thing I can see wizards doing to police Legacy is printing new commander cards they think would combat certain strategies. That way, players get new toys and wizards gets to sell product in a limited print run in big box stores.

I think even still they are having cards released that would have hit Miracles (Harsh Mentor), but once HQ was directly attacked they hit the big red button.

The promo-only Buy a Box I think is a shift signal from when they said they would no longer pull a True Name limited release. I imagine we'll see a few more staples coming out of commander products soon.

[Erdvermampfa]

I wonder if people who complain about Zoo being outdated have actually tested it in the post-Miracles environment or if they are simply repeating old "wisdom". I can not imagine that attacking with a 4/4 on Turn 2 is that bad. And TNN isn't actuall a problem for Zoo, there are plenty of ways to give your creatures trample (including incolor lands).

[Ephemeron]

So if Legacy really is managed for the existing player base, can we call start a petition and sent it to WotC to ban True-Name Nemesis? I think everyone has basically the same feelings about that card, namely:

1. On pure power level alone, it's not worth a ban. It's not really warping the format to the point where action objectively needs to be taken about it.
2. The card is fucking stupid and is clearly a huge mistake stemming from WotC overlooking the impact that a card designed specifically for a multiplayer format would have on a 1v1 format. It's probably the least fun card in the format, and that's saying something. I don't think people even have fun WINNING with TNN, let alone losing to it. It's just a stupid, dead behind the eyes card. I don't think I've seen a single argument that Legacy is a better format for having TNN in it.

[Mr. Safety]

I wonder if people who complain about Zoo being outdated have actually tested it in the post-Miracles environment or if they are simply repeating old "wisdom". I can not imagine that attacking with a 4/4 on Turn 2 is that bad. And TNN isn't actuall a problem for Zoo, there are plenty of ways to give your creatures trample (including incolor lands).

Traditional, sligh-type zoo isn't feasible. Yes, I've tried it. It doesn't have good enough matchups against the field. It ends up splashing for cards that can approach the format better, and ends up turning into a bad version of Maverick. Would it do well against some of the fair decks? Sure, just like Maverick or Jund. It would still struggle against storm, Sneak/Show, Reanimator, Dark Depths, Eldrazi, Moon/Chalice stompy variants. Overall it's better to take your chances with Burn and try and steal a tournament than with Zoo and it's unstable mana-base.

[ReAnimator]

Frantic Search still too strong for Legacy... lol.

[Crimhead]

I really wonder what made them abandon Legacy, the trauma after their failed misstep experiment from 2011? The RL can't be the reason because obviously they do not consider skyrocketing modern prices an issue either since they don't take action against those at all (100€ Liliana from 2011 anyone?)

100+€ Modern staples are great for WotC because they can charge $10 for a Masters booster. 100+€ Legacy staples that they can't/won't reprint do nothing for the company. I think WotC backed off of Legacy, announced Modern, and doubled down on the reserve list, as a unified strategy.

Really though WotC don't want to encourage players to jump on non-rotating formats at all. The last thing they want is players bailing on Modern and Standard to play eternal.

[maharis]

I wonder if people who complain about Zoo being outdated have actually tested it in the post-Miracles environment or if they are simply repeating old "wisdom". I can not imagine that attacking with a 4/4 on Turn 2 is that bad. And TNN isn't actuall a problem for Zoo, there are plenty of ways to give your creatures trample (including incolor lands).

it is when the other guy plays a 5/5 on turn 3.

Source: tested hollow one decks, consistently had multiple 4/x in play turn 2-3, still couldn't get through gurmag/YP army/TNN

[Crimhead]

Zoo. I don't play it but I think it's a litmus test for the health of the format. If Zoo needs Blue, the format is getting too homogeneous or dominated by some other overpowering strategy.

Zoo was dying out before the cantrips really took over - back in Maverick Summer. Later versions of Zoo actually looked a lot like punishing Maverick.

Aggro died because WotC pushed midrange value engines to the point where just turning dudes sideways has become a bad strategy.

That said, I think Burn just needs one more (actually good) printing. eg, a 4-damage Lava Spike could possibly put Burn on the map. Even just a 5th Bolt might do the job.

[Ephemeron]

That said, I think Burn just needs one more (actually good) printing. eg, a 4-damage Lava Spike could possibly put Burn on the map. Even just a 5th Bolt might do the job.

Sadly, I think the days of 3 damage to a player for R are over. It would be interesting to see if they ever printed a Sulfuric Vortex on legs, kinda like Eidolon was able to bump out Pyrostatic Pillar.