[Deck] Dragon Stompy

[Tacosnape]

Taco, what do you think of Pyrokinesis? thanks.

My problem with Pyrokinesis is that roughly a third of the time varying on the number of Pyro/threats you actually run, you're pitching a threat to it, and in matches where I want to use Pyrokinesis to kill stuff, I generally want more threats. The exception to this rule would be creature-based combo decks like Cephalid Breakfast, where Pyrokinesis can serve as disruption. This (And Empty the Warrens) are a large part of why I run Pyroclasm over Pyrokinesis.

However, if there were no Trinispheres and possibly no Jittes main, I could see it being included in a 22-threat, 4 Moon, 4 Chalice, 4 Pyrokinesis shell. This would allow for decent threat consistency and a high red card count, as well as incredibly explosive Hellbent draw and the ability to pitch Pyrokinesis to other Pyrokinesis if necessary. I don't disqualify Pyrokinesis from being run because, much like Chalice and Moon, it's fantastic when it's good and terrible when it's bad.

The other problem with Pyrokinesis maindeck is that if your opponent doesn't have a target, the Hellbent boost it's supposed to provide is actually going to backfire on you, although I suppose you can always Pyrokinesis your own Gathan Raiders and have it live.

[moOnsteak]

I see Jon Daily's list which bring him to the top 2 (or even 1st place) in latest tournament result. .
He brings Akroma, Angel of Fury. .what do you all think about this lady? Is she hot?

*congratulation Mr Daily for a great finish*

[theross]

If you're flipping Akroma at 6 mana then something has probably gone wrong. This deck has trouble casting Arc-Slogger at 5 so this does not seem very good. Inconsistency is the main problem we are trying to work out in the deck currently and adding Akroma merely exacerbates that problem.

[DalkonCledwin]

I see Jon Daily's list which bring him to the top 2 (or even 1st place) in latest tournament result. .
He brings Akroma, Angel of Fury. .what do you all think about this lady? Is she hot?

*congratulation Mr Daily for a great finish*

does anyone have a deck list for this akroma using dragon stompy deck? I have a friend who uses akroma in his deck list and I am potentially going to be getting that deck off of him, but I forgot to ask him for the deck list, so I was hoping to see a similar deck list...

[Rinello]

My problem with Pyrokinesis is that roughly a third of the time varying on the number of Pyro/threats you actually run, you're pitching a threat to it, and in matches where I want to use Pyrokinesis to kill stuff, I generally want more threats. The exception to this rule would be creature-based combo decks like Cephalid Breakfast, where Pyrokinesis can serve as disruption. This (And Empty the Warrens) are a large part of why I run Pyroclasm over Pyrokinesis.

However, if there were no Trinispheres and possibly no Jittes main, I could see it being included in a 22-threat, 4 Moon, 4 Chalice, 4 Pyrokinesis shell. This would allow for decent threat consistency and a high red card count, as well as incredibly explosive Hellbent draw and the ability to pitch Pyrokinesis to other Pyrokinesis if necessary. I don't disqualify Pyrokinesis from being run because, much like Chalice and Moon, it's fantastic when it's good and terrible when it's bad.

The other problem with Pyrokinesis maindeck is that if your opponent doesn't have a target, the Hellbent boost it's supposed to provide is actually going to backfire on you, although I suppose you can always Pyrokinesis your own Gathan Raiders and have it live.

Thanks for sharing.
I think that this deck is very strong,
but at the moment he has some problem with:

-chrome mox pitch
-few equipment
-answers with stuff on the board (anything on board and protected creatures)

Also I guess Pyroclasm will fit better in this deck,
as it can "Leave more room for the big ones to fight in, you know." and is very good against an early mongoose, mother of runes, cephalid/ichorid combo_guys, specter and confidant (and you can cast it easy or imprint it withour regret).

Again, thanks!
(maybe an updated Taco_Dec would be great )

[Tacosnape]

Aaaaactually, I'm not all that against Akroma, Angel of Fury. I can honestly say I haven't tried it, but I think I'm going to. I don't know what slot it would take except for the Sulfur Elemental / Taurean Mauler slot, and I don't know that it's better than either one, but let's look at this for a minute.

1. It Morphs. Meaning it's playable for . So it won't clog up your hand.
2. It's Red. Meaning it pitches to Chrome Mox and Pyrokinesis.
3. If you manage to flip the thing, it's going to slaughter the holy crap out of people.
4. There is immense potential to swing with it under the bluff that it's a Gathan Raiders, and your opponent is forced to play like the swinging card IS Gathan Raiders. This can be tremendously to your advantage.

A balanced list I might suggest would be.

10 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Chrome Mox
4 Seething Song

4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Arc-Slogger
2 Akroma, Angel of Fury

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Blood Moon
3 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

I plan to play Dragon Stompy in a tournament in about two hours, so I might see if I can snag some Red Akromas somewhere along the line and give it a whirl.

[DalkonCledwin]

Aaaaactually, I'm not all that against Akroma, Angel of Fury. I can honestly say I haven't tried it, but I think I'm going to. I don't know what slot it would take except for the Sulfur Elemental / Taurean Mauler slot, and I don't know that it's better than either one, but let's look at this for a minute.

1. It Morphs. Meaning it's playable for . So it won't clog up your hand.
2. It's Red. Meaning it pitches to Chrome Mox and Pyrokinesis.
3. If you manage to flip the thing, it's going to slaughter the holy crap out of people.
4. There is immense potential to swing with it under the bluff that it's a Gathan Raiders, and your opponent is forced to play like the swinging card IS Gathan Raiders. This can be tremendously to your advantage.

A balanced list I might suggest would be.

10 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Chrome Mox
4 Seething Song

4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Arc-Slogger
2 Akroma, Angel of Fury

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Blood Moon
3 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

I plan to play Dragon Stompy in a tournament in about two hours, so I might see if I can snag some Red Akromas somewhere along the line and give it a whirl.

The version I saw of it... I think looked more like the following:

// Lands
10 [OD] Mountain (4)
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
4 [EX] City of Traitors

// Creatures
2 [PLC] Akroma, Angel of Fury
3 [MR] Arc-Slogger
4 [FUT] Gathan Raiders
4 [DIS] Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 [FUT] Magus of the Moon
4 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide

// Spells
4 [9E] Seething Song
3 [8E] Blood Moon
3 [DS] Trinisphere
3 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
4 [MR] Chrome Mox

But I can't be 100% certain as I didn't ask what his deck list was... all I know is it covered all the basic card peices of a Dragon Stompy list.

[Jak]

Taco's List

Akroma does seem pretty badass and I will try it out. I would cut a Slogger. I love the card, but the curve is high and I think some Sulfur Elementals will be good.

10 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Chrome Mox
4 Seething Song

4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Gathan Raiders
2 Sulfur Elementals (Mauler)
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
3 Arc-Slogger
2 Akroma, Angel of Fury

4 Chalice of the Void
3 Blood Moon
3 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

SB
3 Pyroclasm
1 Earthquake
4 Trinisphere
4 Winter Orb
3 Tormod's Crypt

[savemysoul]

been testing akroma on mws, many times i had to go tomb + city + mox + mountain + ssg to unmorph, and loosing 3 life. other times it just sat there or morphed on the table. but if its morphed on the table and the opponent has a tombstalker or something, it can be your only hope :) so u wish for a land/song.
but without songs this card is unplayable imo, basicly the only thing that is runned in legacy that kills it is diabolic edict/smallpox/innocent blood

[moOnsteak]

SB
3 Pyroclasm
1 Earthquake
4 Trinisphere
4 Winter Orb
3 Tormod's Crypt

and Winter Orb is there for. . .??

I think 1 Akroma is enough or maybe more than enough. .
But I want to see for what kind decks (blue??) she was prepared. .

[Sanguine Voyeur]

and Winter Orb is there for. . .??

I would assume the Landstill match up. It severely slows them down and limits their ability to answer your threats.

[Jak]

and Winter Orb is there for. . .??

I think 1 Akroma is enough or maybe more than enough. .
But I want to see for what kind decks (blue??) she was prepared. .

Landstill, Wombat, Truffle Shuffle, etc. I like being able to win the control MU easily. They may change to needles but WOrbs have been good.

[b4r0n]

Is there any particular reason why people are cutting Trinispheres from the maindeck? It steals so many games. Additionally, it's effective against every deck except Lands, unlike Blood Moon which can be dead at times. I guess it's a meta call?

[Jak]

Is there any particular reason why people are cutting Trinispheres from the maindeck? It steals so many games. Additionally, it's effective against every deck except Lands, unlike Blood Moon which can be dead at times. I guess it's a meta call?

Trinisphere is not as crippling as Blood Moon. A resolved Moon against Landstill is basically GG because they can't cast anything, no matter what. Trinisphere just slows them down. However, if your meta consists of a lot of mono-colored decks, then maybe limit the number of Moons.

[nastynate]

Trinisphere is not as crippling as Blood Moon. A resolved Moon against Landstill is basically GG because they can't cast anything, no matter what. Trinisphere just slows them down. However, if your meta consists of a lot of mono-colored decks, then maybe limit the number of Moons.

Expanding further on this, without an LD compliment (like stax), 3sphere won't stop people from playing spells, making it more of a speed bump than a lock component. There are some match-ups when it feels almost useless (like goyf sligh and goblins [which can easily destroy it and/or play around it]), and others when it rocks socks (like ichorid and TES [where it actually does stop them from casting spells]).

I still main-deck 3 simply because there currently isn't anything (be it disruption, fattie, or equipment) at the same mana cost, that has as much impact on the game. 3sphere, if nothing else, has almost no impact on your ability to cast spells, and some impact against most everything else.

[Tacosnape]

Alright, early testing shows that Akroma, Angel of Fury is pretty badass in this deck and might well be better than both Sulfur Elemental and Taurean Mauler. Alternately, I found that replacing Trinisphere with more threats made the deck do exceptionally well. Despite lacking enough people for a tournament, I went 13-1 in games today, and the loss was from Dragon Stompy just screwing itself over.

The list I ran was a standard 10/4/4/4/4 Manabase, the base 20 threats, 4 Moon, 4 Chalice, 2 Jitte, 2 Akroma, and 2 Sulfur. 24 threats may seem high, but it's nice. Consistently topdecking threats allowed me to win three games after initial explosive assaults weren't enough to get the job done. I didn't miss Trinisphere at all and I really don't think it has a place in the maindeck if there aren't a significant number of decks in your metagame that are crippled by it. It's rarely enough to win a game by itself, it's a crappy topdeck, and it messes up your Chrome Moxes something fierce.

Akroma's best moment was turn one Tomb, Mox, Morph, go. Next turn, City, Seething Song, Morph, Pump, swing for 7. My opponent scooped with useless Vindicates not being able to help.

The thing about Akroma was, she wasn't bad when I couldn't flip her. I think I saw her maybe a total of six or seven times today, and I was never sorry to see her. Morphed creatures draw any and all available removal because people fear Gathan Raiders, and I was able to bluff my way through an attack with this. It helped that she was red, as I did imprint her on a Mox one game today, and I definitely never had any difficulties casting her facedown whatsoever.

Only once did I see her and wish she was a Sulfur Elemental (To throw down in front of an attacking Confidant as a trap), but only twice did it make a significant difference that she was Akroma and not the Sulfur Elemental. So this is a hard call. Both were good to me all day. Akroma's strong, though.

[moOnsteak]

After your Akroma testing. .in your opinion. .
how many 'she' would go into main deck?
1 or 2 or 3? *I believe it won't be 4*
Have a moment to hard casting her?

[zulander]

Max of 2. Even though her morph is 6, it's still too high to flip her consistently.

[Rinello]

Alright, early testing shows that Akroma, Angel of Fury is pretty badass in this deck and might well be better than both Sulfur Elemental and Taurean Mauler.

WHO_HOOOO!! I knew it!
(also I really hate Mauler..slow useless guy in this deck IMHO )

The list I ran was a standard 10/4/4/4/4 Manabase, the base 20 threats, 4 Moon, 4 Chalice, 2 Jitte, 2 Akroma, and 2 Sulfur.

Just curious:
Do you miss SoF&I and a 3rd Jitte?
Do you consider Simian Spirt Guide a threat? Do you cast it every now and then?

I didn't miss Trinisphere at all and I really don't think it has a place in the maindeck if there aren't a significant number of decks in your metagame that are crippled by it. It's rarely enough to win a game by itself, it's a crappy topdeck, and it messes up your Chrome Moxes something fierce.

120% agree.
When I wanted to board in Pyrokinesis, I was really worried about mox chrome/red pitch.
I think Akroma is a good answer, also because Trinisphere is just like putting a finger into your opponent's eye while your "Blood_Void Death Combo Lock From Hell" chokes him: fun, but redundant.

Morphed creatures draw any and all available removal because people fear Gathan Raiders, and I was able to bluff my way through an attack with this. It helped that she was red, as I did imprint her on a Mox one game today, and I definitely never had any difficulties casting her facedown whatsoever.

Bluff is very good.
In a tournament sometimes you can just win by stressing an overcautious opponent

Only once did I see her and wish she was a Sulfur Elemental (To throw down in front of an attacking Confidant as a trap), but only twice did it make a significant difference that she was Akroma and not the Sulfur Elemental. So this is a hard call. Both were good to me all day. Akroma's strong, though.

So you're saying that a 2/2 split Akroma/Sulfur Elemental would be perfect?
'Cause you know, this is tempty.. I'm just not sure about what to do with Jitte and SoF&I.........

[Maveric78f]

Drawing into several trinisphere is a pain, but the first is rarely bad, as being a protection against FoW and played early it's really a good timewalk. Thus, why not keep 2 MD and add only 2 more threats (Akroma for instance) ?