All B/R update speculation.

[Koby]

Again someone is saying the banning and unbaning update is taking place on dec 1st on mtgsalvation. Why is that when i called WOTC and they told me that it is not until dec 20th? Dose mtgsalvation get the update sooner then everyone else, or what and if so where can we find the update?

Because MTGsalvation is just as feeble minded as Evan Erwin. The two are a perfect couple.

Also,

If they unrestricted Necropotence on MTGSalvation, at least a third of the people would go, "Lol, why would I pay life just to draw cards? That's exactly what the burn player wants." These aren't the best players in the world...

[Mana Drain]

The last page of this thread looks like it was copy-pasta'd from 4chan.

For thread relevance, +1 for LED.

[codegeass]

I no rite cuz i paid 200 dolars for my STOFS and then another 150 dolars for my vengevines now i think vengevine is a really card but i don't think it should be banned what do you think. i mean i payed 900 for a hole reanimation deck but they had to go and ban MT, omg im so mad. but wat do u think i shuld do cuz i dont wannan sell my cards i just want mtg to be my lyfe.




Btw, the first night that he posted the Revised Duals/Fire & Lightning reprint thread, I made this .gif. I didn't have the heart to leave it up so I took it down... perhaps I regret this decision. Meh.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1417/codegeass.gif

Hilarious I really did want to see the video you made of me thanks. Proves how wortless your life's really are. By the way i have alway's been aware of Revised Reprint Policy, and that none of the cards in the lighting and fire deck where on it. I was just trying to point out how much affordable WOTC is trying to make legacy

[majikal]

Why are you mad, bro? Just be easy.

[codegeass]

Why are you mad, bro? Just be easy.

I just want to get back to talking about mtg, instead of everyone taking a crack at me. now that you are being reasonable what is your opinion on banning SOTF?

[Mr.C]

With all this talk of LoA getting unbanned, why not unban Mishra's Workshop? I think we could fit it in a Stax shell...

[codegeass]

With all this talk of LoA getting unbanned, why not unban Mishra's Workshop? I think we could fit it in a Stax shell...

Isn't Mishra's Workshop a little to broken for legacy? I mean it is a vintage staple? I do not know the card combo's because the only format i play is legacy. But i have seen it played for fun in a vintage deck a couple of times.

[codegeass]

Wow I just saw a SOTF sell for $25 on ebay. Wish i would have been able to grab it. It is amazing how low they are selling for right now, even when most intelligent player do not think it will be banned or rather dose not deserve to be banned. But WOTC is not know for making smart decisions.

[kiblast]

Isn't Mishra's Workshop a little to broken for legacy? I mean it is a vintage staple? I do not know the card combo's because the only format i play is legacy. But i have seen it played for fun in a vintage deck a couple of times.

he was joking.

edit: 'shop in a fun deck? lolz. couple of times? lolz.

[codegeass]

he was joking.

edit: 'shop in a fun deck? lolz. couple of times? lolz.

Wow that is the second time have not got that someone was joking. I do not have sense of humor i guess. Well thanks for not taking a crack at me unlike everyone else, Just because i can't tell what joke is.

[(nameless one)]

Thats it. This is crazy...

This will be the obligatory unban Land Tax post.

Is the card that broken? When it terms of stalling the game (without getting infractions), its as good as Landstill. Besides, don't you get infractions for purposely slowplaying ala Saito?

Yes, its really good with Scroll Rack but Counterbalance is just as good as with Sensei's Divining Top.

Is it too much to ask to play Parfait?

[Tacosnape]

Anyone else having a "Bye Vengevine Survival" party? If not, you can come to mine. Just bring your weight in hot chicks. 400+ pound guys welcome.

It's like New Years, only things actually change and get better.

[Doomsday]

Anyone else having a "Bye Vengevine Survival" party? If not, you can come to mine. Just bring your weight in hot chicks. 400+ pound guys welcome.

It's like New Years, only things actually change and get better.

Are you the same guy quoted in my sig? Play combo and HOPE to get matched up against survival.

[SurFitOfTheVine]

Anyone else having a "Bye Vengevine Survival" party? If not, you can come to mine. Just bring your weight in hot chicks. 400+ pound guys welcome.

It's like New Years, only things actually change and get better.

Oh man, haven't you read my reply in the other thread? It's not Dec 1st, it's Dec 20th!

[Tacosnape]

Oh man, haven't you read my reply in the other thread? It's not Dec 1st, it's Dec 20th!

Ugh, are you serious? I thought they started doing that shit on the 1st. I need to pay more attention.

Oh well. Back to three more weeks of attempting to inch my way up the meaningless world Eternal rankings and trying to pass the cheaters who dwell within.

EDIT: Bring hot chicks anyway. I can keep them busy for 19 extra days.

Are you the same guy quoted in my sig? Play combo and HOPE to get matched up against survival.

Yes, well, then I started playing it, then ended up with my own build, then got good with it, then realized I'd never once had a Legacy deck I was more fearless going into a blind matchup with.

[Valrina]

Ugh, are you serious? I thought they started doing that shit on the 1st. I need to pay more attention.

Oh well. Back to three more weeks of attempting to inch my way up the meaningless world Eternal rankings and trying to pass the cheaters who dwell within.

EDIT: Bring hot chicks anyway. I can keep them busy for 19 extra days.



Yes, well, then I started playing it, then ended up with my own build, then got good with it, then realized I'd never once had a Legacy deck I was more fearless going into a blind matchup with.

So you didnt play flashhulk ^^

Still I am not sure what I should think about banning surival... but I have to point out that it seems the center european meta adopted way better for VV as the american. Sure it also gets Top8 here but it doesnt dominate like that.

For some crazy reason as good as it adopted to VV , Dredge got dominant the same moment, which I dont really get why since plenty iof the usual hate espacilly unexperienced people use as a standard should hit both decks. Maybe its just a fluke for some weeks of lucky dredge players.

[Gui]

Yes, well, then I started playing it, then ended up with my own build, then got good with it, then realized I'd never once had a Legacy deck I was more fearless going into a blind matchup with.

So you are saying you are playing it now, and that it's too powerful... well, maybe that's some placebo effect =P

Not trying to compliment you, but your results could mean that you are a better player/deckbuilder than the ones you were playing against...

And why are you so certain that VV is the one getting banned?

BTW, it will be dec 20th then, right?

[DragoFireheart]

BTW, it will be dec 20th then, right?

Yes, Dec 20th.

No, neither card is going to get banned. The meta is simply not used to aggro-combo decks and is simply used to:

aggro-control > Counterbalance

Counterbalance > Storm

Storm > aggro-control

Once it adjusts, things will be alright. The meta will likely adjust to:



Vengevival > Counterbalance

Counterbalance > Storm

Storm > Vengevival

Well also have rogue decks of varying tier quality that can prey on two of the decks. I initially thought that Counterbalance will go away but I later re-thought that idea and decided that a large surge of combo decks will cause it to come back. However, Counterbalance will no longer be the deck of focus: it'll simply be capitalizing on the Vengevival rampage that will be stimulating Storm combo growth.

Let's take a look at our current "tier 1" decks on this site and see some of my theorycraft:

Vial Goblins
T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
Ichorid
Vengevival
CounterTop
Merfolk
Zoo
Bant Aggro and Pro Bant
New Horizons


Vengevival is the current DTB due to how well it has been doing. Any combo based decks are pretty good against it as Veggie lacks enough disruption to stop them and they are simply faster.

Vengevival
Storm
Ichorid

Countertop decks will likely capitalize on the surge of Storm and other odd combo decks trying to beat Vengevival.

Vengevival
Storm
Ichorid
Countertop

Merfolk has good game against blue-deck and with wasteland, cursecatcher, daze, FoW and spell pierce can even give combo a run for it's money. It may not have the greatest game against Vengevival decks, but it can prey on the rest of the meta.

Vengevival
Storm
Ichorid
Countertop
Merfolk


Vial Goblins, Zoo, Bant Aggro / Pro Bant and New Horizons will likely be pushed out as they don't have favorable games against BOTH Vengevival and Storm. Just about any sideboard you use for Vengevival is worthless against Storm, and vice versa. Mid-range decks like the ones listed above are going to eventually be the absolute worse choice for the new meta. No longer will the meta be about making an uber mid-range deck to fight countertop and simply hope to avoid storm decks. No, there will be too much storm and other combo decks and sideboarding for them means less slots for the Vengevival matchup.

[(nameless one)]

If Merfolk are just preying on the rest of the meta, wouldn't Zoo and Goblin be in there too? Both decks are optimal against Merfolk and whatever Control decks are present in the DTB.

[Tacosnape]

No, neither card is going to get banned.

Vengevival
Storm
Ichorid
Countertop
Merfolk

So your argument is that it's okay to have a format where Red doesn't exist except for Burning Wish and/or Firespout?

So you are saying you are playing it now, and that it's too powerful... well, maybe that's some placebo effect =P

Not trying to compliment you, but your results could mean that you are a better player/deckbuilder than the ones you were playing against...

And why are you so certain that VV is the one getting banned?

It's not too powerful because I'm playing it. I'm playing it because it's too powerful. I'm a pretty good deck designer, but I'm only a good player when I'm awake and focused, which is about half the time. If I'm sleepy, I play like shit. I still win with this deck when I'm sleepy.

And I'm not entirely certain Vengevine will be the one getting the axe. I think it -should- be Vengevine getting the axe. But I've got decklists for post-Survival Vengevine and post-Vengevine Survival both ready and waiting on the results.

So you didnt play flashhulk ^^

Touche. In my defense, Flash Hulk was a far bigger atrocity than Survival or probably anything we'll ever see in the format again, and after multiple long naked therapy sessions with two gorgeous lady psychs, I've managed to block out that Flash Hulk ever happened. So I can't say that I have any idea what you're talking about.