What will happen? -- Mtgthesource crew's ability to predict the future

[Gui]

So, basically, what's your prediction about the 20th?

I don't care if you think (a) or (b) should be banned, just what you guess that WILL happen. ^^

Making it clear: Consider what WotC will do, not what you think is the right action.

- Vengevine gets banned;
- Survival of the Fittest gets banned;
- They both get banned;
- None of the above get banned;

Feel free to state your opinion below! :D

[practical joke]

So, basically, what's your prediction about the 20th?

I don't care if you think (a) or (b) SHOULD be banned, just what you guess that WILL happen. ^^

- Vengevine gets banned;
- Survival of the Fittest gets banned;
- They both get banned;
- None of the above get banned;

Vengevine remains untouched, that's for sure.
Survival isn't putting up extraordinairy results when compared to it's appearance. So when you look at those numbers it shouldn't be banned.
When you look at the following arguments, it might:
- one-card tutor, the set-back (discarding a creature card, being a permanent), is pretty low and even abusable (squee, vengevine and/or iona+recruiter etcetc.)
- Repeatable tutoring (multiple times in a turn)
- Important card for a lot of decks for certain I-win engines.
- Low-costed (gg1 for a single tutor is quite good)

Those reasons could be good enough for a ban, but I'm not so certain if it really has to be banned. Let them play a deck that is quite popular at the time.

It could be on the banned-list, but I'm not convinced by numbers if it's really necessary.

For useless info: I like survival a lot, but I really hate vengevival and I really really hate the deck even though I have no problems beating the deck.

[socialite]

Nothing should happen; if it does it will be Survival.

Banning Veg is just silly and goes against DCI's typical policy of banning the "engine".

[tsabo_tavoc]

December announcement:
Time Spiral is no longer banned;
Earthcraft is no longer banned.

Not to sway the discussion into the unbanning candidates, but really I expect a couple coming off the list and none jumping into the list.

[whienot]

Isn't there already infinite threads on this topic?

But look! This one has a new poll!!

[Gui]

Isn't there already infinite threads on this topic?

But look! This one has a new poll!!

Yup! So, what's your point?

This is somewhat different, tho. There are lots of people that think VV should be banned, and yet, noone seems to believe WotC would do that. Also, that's a way to see how accurate are the opinions around.

I like when someone thinks that a thread is useless, and given that, comes and state that in a useless way. xD

[rockout]

I'd rather see vengevine get banned but I know deep down in my gut that it will probably be survival. O well, I'll have to continue to rape with survival in edh.

[Julian23]

People, stop posting what you think should happen but what you think WILL happen. I can totally see the purpose of this thread.

For my part, I tend to believe nothing will actually happen regarding SotF/VV. Not to mention possible unbannings.

[Michael Keller]

Oh...my...GOD!

Get over it, already! This thread is just another derivative from all the other banning-speculative threads regarding Vengevine, Survival of the Fittest, or any combination of both. It is seriously getting really old. Really old. And the banning announcement hasn't even taken place yet! It's worse than O.J.'s trial. Does Vengevine need to try on a white glove to see if it truly was the perpetrator??? This thread will bring nothing new to the table other than a potpourri on some rhetoric about the format that has no distinct or precise subject matter except for the banning of the Exodus rare, its counterpart, and the so-called 'repercussions' to follow. I'm sorry, but reading the same thing over and over again gets really stale.

Except here we go - back to the Vengevine-Survival Complex again that keeps spinning out of control. Here are some "helpful" links, in case everyone has been living under a rock:

One place....
And another...
Try again...
Might as well...
In depth...
Why not predict the market, too?
If you really want to beat it...
For old time's sake...
The road less traveled...
The absurdity continues...
I don't want my fortune read...
"Oh noes"...
The legend continues...
Focus!...
Fight!...

Comical at best.

This is ridiculous. It's even more annoying than Brett Favre indicating he may or may not retire these last three years. I'm sorry if I'm venting out a little bit here, but there is only so much one can take before you read the same thing over...and over...and over...and over again before you finally take a step back and ask yourself, "Do I care?"

I have nothing against any of the authors of some of these very well-written articles, but please people: speculation only goes so far and these threads just keep getting redundant with the same material until the 'meat' of the discussion is lost in a train of thought digressing back to this (now boringly) vehement topic. Is it important? Absolutely. Do we need to see or hear the same thing in a different vein over and over again until it loses its flavor? No.

Freedom of speech, I guess.

[whienot]

My point is that it has all be said before. This thread will inevitably deteriorate into the same arguments as all previous B&R threads. It's a tired subject. There's nothing left to discuss, just be patient.

For relevance: Wizards will unbann Gush and reban it in March.

Edit: +infinity Hollywood.

[Gui]

I guess if you don't want to read, and is tired of reading the same thing over and over again, be my guest and don't read.

This is a different poll from any of these you posted there, in which I intended to know whether people think the card will get banned or not, instead of the general "do you think it should be banned" question. Of course the Ban list isn't out yet, if it was so, this thread would have no meaning ><

I don't get it, if you don't want to make a valid point, why come here and say "Stop discussing, all of you that still want to do so.". Makes no sense at all. Just leave and go live.

This is a speculation thread, so what? I had no data on what people here thought that WotC might do, and now I have. It was informative and consistant. If you don't like it, go flame somewhere else.

[Michael Keller]

I guess if you don't want to read, and is tired of reading the same thing over and over again, be my guest and don't read.

Boredom gets the best of me sometimes, especially when I have no choice but to read the same things over and over again.

This is a different poll from any of these you posted there, in which I intended to know whether people think the card will get banned or not, instead of the general "do you think it should be banned" question. Of course the Ban list isn't out yet, if it was so, this thread would have no meaning ><

It's not a different poll at the basic framework of things. All it is is a reworded configuration of every other poll in this forum dedicated to the banning of either of those two cards.

You're right, the Ban List hasn't been revealed yet. Have you checked any of the other thirty threads to discuss it or read about speculation there?

I don't get it, if you don't want to make a valid point, why come here and say "Stop discussing, all of you that still want to do so.". Makes no sense at all. Just leave and go live.

I prefer to stay and live, if that's all right with you. All you're doing is opening a new thread with the same subject matter sugar-coated over again from the same tired rhetoric about the same argument being made in about thirty other threads.

This is a speculation thread, so what? I had no data on what people here thought that WotC might do, and now I have. It was informative and consistant. If you don't like it, go flame somewhere else.

I'm not flaming anywhere; I'm simply stating all this thread is is a complete rehash of countless other threads debating and discussing the same thing. It's cluttering, nonsensical, and leads to pointless speculation about a banning announcement that will take place in only a few short days. It's just repetitive and speculative and all it is doing is reiterating the same trivial rhetoric over and over again.

Point is, there are plenty of other threads that are talking about this very same issue. What is the purpose of yet another one?

[Doomsday]

I voted that Survival will be banned because WotC has shown that they're pretty bad at managing eternal formats.

[Gui]

Point is, there are plenty of other threads that are talking about this very same issue. What is the purpose of yet another one?

It is not the same very issue, but I don't blame you if you can't understand why this poll is different from the other 2 polls you posted there. I know there are endless topics on the matter, I know the first page is all flooded with the thing, but I wanted to know what People from the source actaully think that will happen, whether they like the decision or not, so that I can compare and see how accurate they were. There was no data on this issue, not the way this poll is now providing, and now there is.

Anyways, if you don't like the thread, you don't need to try to end it, do you? As far as I can tell, some people like it, and there are people contributing.

[majikal]

Just because people are posting in the thread doesn't mean they like it. They probably would have posted the same shit in any one of the 9000 other threads about the exact same thing that exist on this site right now.

[(nameless one)]

Well, that dude from the mothership did say that it all depends on the Worlds if Survival of the Fittest will get banned. 2/8 decks have it but is 2/8 too dominating?

Maybe they'll just unban a couple of things like Earthcraft and Land Tax.

[dontbiteitholmes]

After the 20th could some mod please lock every thread about Survival except for 1 new one where people cry about what did/didn't happen.

[Tacosnape]

I'm taking the longshot here and saying they actually get it right and ban Vengevine. For all the bitching people do about the powers that be, they tend to actually do the right thing far more often than not.

[Cenarius]

First, I miss the option: 'I like pressing on buttons and do therefore do not have an opinion'.
Second, this discussion/thread is totally irrelevant. We already got 4 thread's about the banning of either Survival, Vengevine or none of the above.

Greetings.

[Gui]

First, I miss the option: 'I like pressing on buttons and do therefore do not have an opinion'.
Second, this discussion/thread is totally irrelevant. We already got 4 thread's about the banning of either Survival, Vengevine or none of the above.

Greetings.

If you analise closely, this option exists! Unless of course you really believe they will ban both =P

And I've tryed to explain the thread reason already, won't do that again to avoid an even less useful debate. ^^