What will happen? -- Mtgthesource crew's ability to predict the future

[Koby]

only because I love you all, this is from Wizards.com

Source? It's not up on the mainsite.

[Nihil Credo]

Salvation, supposedly found it by URL digging. That's happened before, so the probability of it being a really good photoshop seems far lower than the probability that it is real, and since the former leaves the probability of a Survival ban unaffected while the latter skyrockets it (Monday is only the announcement, not the discussion, so it's really unlikely that the card art would be there if R&D had 'decided, after long deliberation, to wait and see', and while the columnists may enjoy occasionally trolling their audience the DCI doesn't - at least, not intentionally), you should try to sell your Survivals now if you haven't already. Keep a singleton for EDH.

[majikal]

Fuck me sideways. Why do I even play this format? Every deck I pick up gets something in it banned. >:(

You know, for once I had a small sliver of hope that the DCI would do the right thing and handle a banning in a way that would have the least impact on the diversity of the format, but yet again they've proven themselves incompetent by swooping in and destroying an entire pillar of the format this time, not just a single problematic deck, just because they're too proud to admit they fucked up by printing a busted power creep dude.

The inevitable outcome of this is that cards will continue to be banned in a poor attempt to re-balance the format. You can't just destroy a pillar without everything else coming tumbling down. It's called a pillar for a reason.

Also, god forbid anything other than a blue deck dominate for a few months. This is ridiculous.

[Purgatory]

Fuck me sideways. Why do I even play this format? Every deck I pick up gets something in it banned. >:(

You know, for once I had a small sliver of hope that the DCI would do the right thing and handle a banning in a way that would have the least impact on the diversity of the format, but yet again they've proven themselves incompetent by swooping in and destroying an entire pillar of the format this time, not just a single problematic deck, just because they're too proud to admit they fucked up by printing a busted power creep dude.

The inevitable outcome of this is that cards will continue to be banned in a poor attempt to re-balance the format. You can't just destroy a pillar without everything else coming tumbling down. It's called a pillar for a reason.

Also, god forbid anything other than a blue deck dominate for a few months. This is ridiculous.

I thought that the Blue-Green Survival Madness was the build that performed best?

[majikal]

I thought that the Blue-Green Survival Madness was the build that performed best?

Only against other Survival decks. It hardly counts as a blue deck though. It only has exactly enough blue cards to support FoW.

[Purgatory]

Only against other Survival decks. It hardly counts as a blue deck though. It only has exactly enough blue cards to support FoW.

Granted, but it still had like a 60% win ratio against the rest of the field. I'd say it's the deck to play if you want to perform, at least at an SCG Open.

[majikal]

Granted, but it still had like a 60% win ratio against the rest of the field. I'd say it's the deck to play if you want to perform, at least at an SCG Open.

What? Do you have Asperger's or something? That's not even what we were talking about. The point is that it's disingenuous to call Madness a blue deck, because it barely has enough blue cards to support FoW.

[Purgatory]

What? Do you have Asperger's or something? That's not even what we were talking about. The point is that it's disingenuous to call Madness a blue deck, because it barely has enough blue cards to support FoW.

No, I responded to your closing statement regarding the blue decks dominating by proposing the list and you countered by saying that it;

a) Only performs the best against other Survival builds.

b) Isn't really blue because it barely has any blue cards.

Now, I adressed a) in my previous post, I thought I made myself clear, but alas, I failed. I apologize.

Regarding b), that is a completely different question, because that opens up an entirely different can of worms (counter questions: what is a "blue" deck? Does it win through a "blue" strategy, does it contain some "blue" element, or is it some magical number of cards that need to be blue in order for it to count as "blue"?)

Now, just to put this briefly because as I said, it isn't the main point: would UG Survival be a better deck as Mono-G Survival? I believe "no", I haven't seen a Mono-G Survival list perform well since Osaka Stompy. Thus, the deck benefits from being partly blue, and wins more through having blue cards and therefore is at least part-blue.

Not to say that this means that every deck that happens to Natural Order for Prog is 5c, most of the lists of UG Survival actually play FoW, as you said, and though they barely have enough cards, most of them (that I've seen) have around 15-17 at least.

And no, I don't have Asperger's. Argument ad hominem fail.

[majikal]

And no, I don't have Asperger's. Argument ad hominem fail.

It wasn't an argument ad hominem. It was a genuine question, because that would certainly explain why you feel the need to latch on to an insignificant detail and turn it into the focus of your discussion.

[Purgatory]

It wasn't an argument ad hominem. It was a genuine question, because that would certainly explain why you feel the need to latch on to an insignificant detail and turn it into the focus of your discussion.

But then I adressed the rest of your post above, and now you latched on to a detail in my post and responded to that, while ignoring the rest.

You trollin, man? Or do you just need a hug because Survival might get the axe?

[majikal]

Fuck yes I need a hug. Can I get a happy ending too?

[Purgatory]

Fuck yes I need a hug. Can I get a happy ending too?

If by "happy ending" you mean "Survival won't be banned", I can't really make any promises.

As I've stated before, I don't think that's what needs to be done, but I think that's what the DCI will do. Easy way out, kind of...

[Leftconsin]

Survival might just be the pic because it's the hot topic. Right? Right?

[Nidd]

I played ANT, they banned Mystical.
I play Bant Survival, now they ban Survival.

Bummers.

If I start playing 60Islands.dec, they'll ban Island, I'm sure!

[alphacat]

Fuck me sideways. Why do I even play this format? Every deck I pick up gets something in it banned. >:(

Well, the idea is, Legacy is such a big format, don't play the most dominating deck at the moment!

That aside, if this is real, I've really lost faith in Wizard's ability to maintain Legacy as a healthy format. Instead of banning VV and power-down one deck, they decided to ban Survival, which in effect KILLS 3+ decks. Although I was mentally prepared for this decision, I'm still taking it pretty hard. They better unban a lot of cards to counterbalance killing off this many decks.

[Tacosnape]

If by "happy ending" you mean "Survival won't be banned", I can't really make any promises.

So wait, if he actually means Happy Ending in the dirty way, you've got him covered?

[lordofthepit]

Fuck me sideways.

Fuck yes I need a hug. Can I get a happy ending too?

If by "happy ending" you mean "Survival won't be banned", I can't really make any promises.

So wait, if he actually means Happy Ending in the dirty way, you've got him covered?

I feel like I've stumbled across something very private...

Time to walk away and play it off cool...

[SurFitOfTheVine]

Omg

[Mark Sun]

Just fyi, the source of the picture was found: http://media.wizards.com/images/magi...e122k_icon.jpg

Still up in the air in terms of exactly what it means, in my opinion.

[Koby]

This will set a dangerous precedent if it's true.

June 2011, Counterbalance and Sensei's Top banned, for being in Top 8.
September 2011, Lion's Eye Diamond banned for being colorless.
December 2011, Wild Nacatl banned for being too damn aggressive.
March 2012, Aether Vial banned for cheating at Magic.
June 2012, Brainstorm banned for drawing more than 1 card per turn.
September 2012, Ponder restricted for being the same mana cost as Brainstorm and looking at 3 cards.
December 20th, 2012 - End of the world.

You laugh now...