Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SIMMERING POT OF FECAL MATTER]

[ddt15]

No, but what you posted is essentially Belcher and just as horrible.

I guess you're not into combo decks. Thats fine. We'll see if its horrible. I'll at least try it.

[Koby]

Sensei Top and Jace make this sickeningly good even without Brainstorm. Top , if Time Walk2 is not in hand is stronger than Bstorm. It will be amazing, Let's not kid ourselves.

Lately the WotC crew are making cards that are just dumb and they're all blue. The last 2 major impact non-blue cards were GSZ and Stoneforge?, compared to Jace, Misstep, Pierce, Snappy, Delver, and now Time Walk.

Obv R&D just wants everyone to play Blue. Even Aaron Forsythe got concerned that Maverick was putting up too good of a result against Blue decks. #BanChoke

[joemauer]

Belcher with Force of Will. Take that Blue decks!

Having Force of Will does solve the losing to Force of Will problem that belcher runs into.

[KobeBryan]

Nobody plays Personal Tutor in a format with actual Time Walk. A Time Walk that doesn't exile itself. A format with Yawgmoth's Assmounting Will.

Brainstorm is better than this card. Brainstorm is not banned. Explain why this card should be banned and not Brainstorm.

Personal Tutoring for this card means Duress'ing yourself. I think it's OK, but not better than Brainstorm / Shuffle effect.

People always make an argument that a card is bad because it is card disadvantage..but card quality is far more important than card disadvantage.

[KobeBryan]

Obv R&D just wants everyone to play Blue. Even Aaron Forsythe got concerned that Maverick was putting up too good of a result against Blue decks. #BanChoke

That's really your fault man.

[JDK]

Obv R&D just wants everyone to play Blue. Even Aaron Forsythe got concerned that Maverick was putting up too good of a result against Blue decks. #BanChoke

I really hate Choke.

[nedleeds]

I never said the card should be banned.

If brainstorm=ancestral recall and temporal manipulation=time walk, then brainstorm+temporal=vintage.

Fair. Sorry if I misquoted you. The ban comment is directed at everyone leaping up and down with afternoon wood in their pants talking Jar-Ban.

[nedleeds]

People always make an argument that a card is bad because it is card disadvantage..but card quality is far more important than card disadvantage.

Sure but if you play it early (your third turn barring idiocy like Lotus Petal) then it's explore because you have nothing else to do but play land to advance your board state. Explore at least replaces itself. You can also just play another land and point to the judge and say, '2 explores'.

[Vacrix]

The tweets Nihil linked earlier suggest to me one of two things: either Wizards is doing exactly what I said before (ie, printing broken cards to drive booster sales with the intention of banning them later), or this card is not nearly as good as we think it is. It's not anywhere close to Flash levels of broken, that's for sure. I wonder how often it will be better than Explore + an extra combat step.

And the more I think about it, the more I hate Griselbrand. God, Wizards, can we finally ease up on the splash creep already?

Agreed here. Honestly everyone is FREAKING OUT over this. Guys.. keep in mind that this card is no way a reprinted Timewalk. This card is a Conditional Timewalk. Gaddock Teeg is great against it while GSZ can fetch it as well. Pithing Needle is still great against Top and Jace. My god people its not uncounterable.

Whens the last time they printed a conditional power nine card? All the fucking time. Last one that I can remember was Mox Opal. Before that, Ancestral Visions. There was huge hype for that one too remember.

Legacy is NOT broken, nobody is banning Brainstorm, and I think because this is a conditional power 9, everyone is really freaking out. Chill. The Fuck. Out.

As AggroZombies was saying. Explore + an extra combat step. Honestly, the decks that will be abuse it best are the ones playing heavy deck manipulation with Top and Brainstorm. What can they really do with an extra turn? They can't even really use the combat step. Honestly I think Mystical Tutor is WAY more dangerous than this card in terms of power level.

[Awaclus]

The bargain demon + Necrotic Ooze interaction might become something.

[Vacrix]

Honestly the Demon doesn't need to interact with anything. Even if it's 'interacting' with a STP to the face you are still drawing 2 hands worth of cards. I have a feeling its going to make sweet love to SnT.

[HokusSchmokus]

I really don't see the point of all the hassle. Barely a playable card in legacy, calling it out now.

[Zalren]

Agreed here. Honestly everyone is FREAKING OUT over this. Guys.. keep in mind that this card is no way a reprinted Timewalk. This card is a Conditional Timewalk. Gaddock Teeg is great against it while GSZ can fetch it as well. Pithing Needle is still great against Top and Jace. My god people its not uncounterable.

While it is true that Temporal Mastery can be stopped and is not Time Walk. It is a functional Time Walk in a format that has the original Time Walk banned.

I really want to play Legacy with this card because I love overpowered cards but I think it will be banned.

[Koby]

The bargain demon + Necrotic Ooze interaction might become something.

I agree, I'm more stoked about the Demon and his many uses more than a marginal Time Walk. How is this better than Necrotic Ooze Reanimator tho? I'd rather just win on the spot than pay 7 life to durdle around. (Triskelion + Phyrexian Marauder)

[mrjumbo03]

Whens the last time they printed a conditional power nine card? All the fucking time. Last one that I can remember was Mox Opal. Before that, Ancestral Visions. There was huge hype for that one too remember.

Who could forget the $30 pre-selling price of Time Reversal?Haha

[Rune]

Sensei Top and Jace make this sickeningly good even without Brainstorm. Top , if Time Walk2 is not in hand is stronger than Bstorm. It will be amazing, Let's not kid ourselves.

Lately the WotC crew are making cards that are just dumb and they're all blue. The last 2 major impact non-blue cards were GSZ and Stoneforge?, compared to Jace, Misstep, Pierce, Snappy, Delver, and now Time Walk.

I agree, even without Brainstorm it's still going to be broken as hell. Worst case scenario it's in your opener and the card you pitch to FoW, or it's a dead card until you play a Jace to turn it on.

Also, I can't believe some people actually think it won't be good in a format WITH Brainstorm. Seriously, what the fork?

[edgarps22]

And it only gets better if you have a threat, read Delver, down before it is cast. Combined with RUG Delver deck maybe even the new Miracle Lava Axe, this card gets very very very powerful.

[Jeff]

It's still too easy to cheat/abuse, makes it more difficult to maintain the game state. Unless there winds up being a caveat to the rule that only allows you to play miracles in your draw step or something, I see these being pretty messy.

When will people stop being idiots like this? It's basically just madness with a different trigger. Yes, you get to play sorceries during your draw step with the miracle ability. The same way you could play creatures on your opponent's turn if they hymn to tourach'd you.

If you move to your main phase with the miracle card in your hand, you missed the opportunity to play the miracle card. The same way you look at a card for Delver of Secrets before moving it to your hand, just look at the card off the top of your deck before you put it in your hand. Just get used to playing with your hand separate from where you're drawing so people can easily see you draw things, and you're good to go.

All these Time Walk/Explore comparisons are also pretty bad, because people keep forgetting one crucial thing: Explore taps you down to only 1 available mana, while you will have 3 open mana after Time Walking on turn two. This is a big fucking deal.

Except you CAN cast explore on turn 2, and you CAN'T cast Neo Time Walk on turn 2, because you won't have a second land in play when the miracle ability triggers. Explore on turn 3 means you have 2 mana open just like the time walk on turn 3.

Plus, what do you need two mana open so badly in legacy for anyway? Most of the counterspells everyone plays are 1 or 0 mana, the good removal is mostly 1 mana. Yea, there's lots of good 2CMC spells, but it's not like standard where the only way you can counter a spell is by having 2 or 3 mana open.

[ThomasDowd]

It is going to feel good when I spell pierce my first one. time walk? no, thank you for the time walk.

The amount of set up required for this to be very good is quite extensive. also. as mentioned earlier predict is pretty much a blow out.

is everyone forgetting that personal tutor is a sorcery? giving you a whole turn to find an answer. sure brainstorm is bad and late game this wrecks pretty much everything, but time walk is ony good if you have some sort of effect on board already. this card is only good turn 4+ at best to get all the brokenness out of it. or some combination of being able to have 2+ mana in your main after you cast it. you are still tying up mana in your draw phase essentially. and then all the other times it is an overcosted timewarp.

will not be a 4 of. maybe a 2 of in some decks. since opening with this or drawing it before turn 4 is pretty much the worst.

[Vacrix]

Yeah seriously. Personal Tutor, put it on top. Jace it to the bottom.

Pithing Needle is going to be dope. It stops the best deck manipulation tactics via. SDT and Jace.

Also.. please.. I really don't think this card affects Maverick's current dominance. GSZ into Teeg just shuts off more cards than it did before.

I'm also calling that this card will come and go. There is huge hype for it right now.