Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SIMMERING POT OF FECAL MATTER]

[Cire]

Fun, but it seems like a casual/limited card by virtue of being an aura.

Yeah, but it's a GREAT aura lol.

I can dream but.... turn 1, creature, turn 2, fork Aura, turn 3, double discard + creature kill, turn 4, double vidicate.... Back that up with counters.... sigh.... a man can dream...

[nedleeds]

Yeah, but it's a GREAT aura lol.

I can dream but.... turn 1, creature, turn 2, fork Aura, turn 3, double discard + creature kill, turn 4, double vidicate.... Back that up with counters.... sigh.... a man can dream...

Put it on a Slippery Bogle ...

[Norm]

Put it on a Slippery Bogle ...

Yeah, but then your deck has Bogles in it...

[wcm8]

This got spoiled:

Dangerous Bet 1R
Instant
Discard your hand then draw two cards.

[Cire]

No counter back up but rough list.......

BWR Human Fork Aura Control?

4 Dark Confidant
4 Mother of Runes
4 Grim Lavamancer
2 Student Of Warfare

4 Fork Aura

4 Vindicate
4 Hymn
4 Duress
4 STP
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Diabolic Edict

16 Lands
4 Cavern of souls

[dontbiteitholmes]

I mean, we are saying casting creatures without having to duress a spell snare or have a force or daze yourself is a valid legacy strategy. This land can't even make mana for non-creature spells. It can be wastelanded. What lands are you taking out of your 19-22 lands to put this in? It doesn't protect the man you create with it. It's good but not even on the same plane as some of the cards that are currently not banned in Legacy, like fucking Brainstorm.

I mean the control decks might actually play this land ... and name Wizard. Then they are off to the races with

4 x Spellstutter Sprite
2 x Vendillion Clique
4 x Snapcaster Mage
4 x Dark Confidant

DERP!

Yeah, counterpoint though it doesn't cast Brainstorm, Swords, or whatever other one drop you are running and it cuts into land base leaving less spots for Wastelands, Factories, and utility lands. You still need to run enough real color lands to be able to cast bombs like Planeswalkers or board wipes ASAP. Also control doesn't usually want Confidant for obvious reasons. It's a strong card, but I don't think it's an auto-include in anything except maybe meathooks. It will probably end up in other decks, especially tribal, but counters are already the weakest link vs. those decks.

[Barook]

No counter back up but rough list.......

BWR Human Fork Aura Control?

4 Dark Confidant
4 Mother of Runes
4 Grim Lavamancer
2 Student Of Warfare

4 Fork Aura

4 Vindicate
4 Hymn
4 Duress
4 STP
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Diabolic Edict

16 Lands
4 Cavern of souls

Seems slow. Needs better and faster threats.

On a different note:

Naming Spirits with Caverns might be pretty good with Tallowisp + Phantoms, considering Drogskol Captain and Ghost of Saint Traft are playable with it.

Swining with indestructible, hexproof, uncounterable guys sounds like a plan.

[rufus]

No counter back up but rough list.......

BWR Human Fork Aura Control?
...

No Izzet Guildmage?

Maybe combo with To Arms/Roar of the Kha, Fork Aura and some mana dudes?

[Cire]

Idk about combo.... but Noxious revival and maybe other phyrxian spells seem good with it.... hmmm

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@ Barook, yeah it's slow, but it would have really obnoxious plays like

End of turn, Revival for 0, copy it for R, dont pay life for the copy, return vindicate and surgical extraction to your library. Your turn, Double Vindicate for 1WRB. Then follow it up with the surgery.

Btw can you cast the Revival for a Vindicate, Copy it, Return the Revival? A very slow but Hilarious vindicate wall will ensue.....

[Ziveeman]

Yeah, but then your deck has Bogles in it...

I fail to see the problem

[Teknique]

Btw can you cast the Revival for a Vindicate, Copy it, Return the Revival? A very slow but Hilarious vindicate wall will ensue.....

I don't believe that would work. The copy would go on the stack above the revival which hasn't resolved yet. So when the copy resolves first, the revival is still sitting on the stack rather than in the graveyard, and isn't targetable.

[nedleeds]

Yeah, but then your deck has Bogles in it...

He's part of the Beast tribe. You could actually cast him using 'Land of Awesomeness' ... after naming 'Beast'. Then cast Aura of Timmy on him.

Beast mode.

[matunos]

Maverick is > blue decks.

However, it's possible with this land Maverick is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blue decks. This allows you to devote your sideboard solely to your bad matches.

Damn straight. If playing this land convinces Maverick players to take Choke out of their sideboards, then this land is completely broken and every Maverick deck should have 4. I suggest you remove Grove of the Burnwillows and Maze of Ith.

[joven]

Yipiih! I finally get my zombie with Undying and a casting cost of less than or equal 2. :D

~Butcher Ghoul
1B
Creature - Zombie
Undying
1/1

... of course just for my casual zombie deck! :P

[joven]

That land is an abortion.

You meant abomination, right? :D

[joven]

Lanzamiento doble – 1R Rare
Enchantment – Aura
Enchant creature.
Enchanted creature has “R,T: copy target instant or sorcery you control. You may choose new targets for the copy”

Seems pretty good... Get it on a creature turn 2, turn 3, start doing silly things.... (double your hymn , then keep on doubling your discard and creature kill)

~Double Throw
1R
Enchantment - Aura
Enchant creature.
Enchanted creature has “R,T: copy target instant or sorcery you control. You may choose new targets for the copy”

If it was a 1/1 creature, it would be interesting.

When will WotC finally fix auras? Maybe with a mechanic similar to this pairing of Soulbond? Something like the Aura is paired to a creature and when the creature is gone it may be re-paired to another creature, maybe when a new creature is put onto battlefield.

[matunos]

I don't want to add it as a one-of "for Knight." I want to add it as a one-of because drawing two is bad in Maverick, and once in a while getting uncounterable Noble Hierarchs, Mothers of Runes, Thalias, and Knights of the Reliquary is nicer than the negligible opportunity cost is bad.

Just curious here... when's the last time you got Noble Hierarch or Mother of Runes countered? The occasional FoW on Mom, I'm guessing.

Again, the current top control deck, Esperblade, has removed much of its counter suite. Post-board, FoW is pretty much reserved for Choke.

Oh, Mother of Runes, how can I remove thee? Let me count the ways...
Swords to Plowshares, Umezawa's Jitte, Darkblast, Zealous Persecution, Engineered Explosives, Wrath of God, Dread of Night, Sulfur Elemental...

(Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Mom is a pushover, but it's not like control players don't have removal plans for her.)

[matunos]

~Double Throw
1R
Enchantment - Aura
Enchant creature.
Enchanted creature has “R,T: copy target instant or sorcery you control. You may choose new targets for the copy”

If it was a 1/1 creature, it would be interesting.

When will WotC finally fix auras? Maybe with a mechanic similar to this pairing of Soulbond? Something like the Aura is paired to a creature and when the creature is gone it may be re-paired to another creature, maybe when a new creature is put onto battlefield.

I believe that's called Equipment.

[JDK]

Maverick > Blue Decks?

Spiral Tide begs to differ.

[joven]

I believe that's called Equipment.

Not quite. Equipments are nasty artifacts. They are rarely of colors as Auras usually are. Also most Equipments have an equip cost, which is often way to high. Well, it is not the same as that what I meant.
The few playable equipments are ridiculously strong (Jitte, Swords), not to mention the crazy WoTC idea of Livinig Weapons that brought up abominations like Batterskull, Bonehoard and Lashwrithe.