Those were some pretty sweet games, thank you for sharing! Nice to see those one-ofs getting some play.Originally Posted by jrw1985
Excellent analysis, GoboLord.
I need to practice to the point where I can quickly do those breakdowns in my head mid-game.
By the way, I'm still playing your exact 75 (except +3 Badlands -3 Hovels).
How would you suggest sideboarding vs Junkblade?
I don't know if it has been said, since I don't want to go through all the 300+ pages and it's not on the front page: What do you think of Crib Swap as a sideboard option in RW goblin?
Yes, it's more expensive than StP or PtE, but you can fetch it with the matron and the ringleader, the cost can be reduced by the warchiefs, and it increases the goblin count for the Incinerator.
Yes, against elves and merfolks or other tribal decks, it gives them an additionnal creature, but this can be used to remove creatures too big to deal damage to, or the like.
About practicing:
I struggle with this kind of thinking too, but thats probably because the situation was too complex there. In fact it took me about half an hour going through all possible options. During the game my thoughts were something like this: "Which card can win him the game? --> Sneak Attack or Pyroclasm. He has 3 copies of Pyroclasms and 1 copy of Sneak Attack. He probably will draw Pyroclasm, so let's play around that!" Unfortunately things aren't so simple, and I doubt that I would be able to go through more complex scenarios one by one to make a more sophisticated decision.
However, when you find a way to practice that efficiently please tell me how you do it! For the next time my take on such issues will be to trust in my gut-feeling.
About Junkblade:
I'm not sure if I know exactly what that deck looks like. Can you post a link or a list for reference? I will then give you my thoughts on it!
About Crib Swap:
I don't think it has been discussed, but I can list some obvious disadvantages of the card
* it's to expensive with cmc3. Stingscourger (and Warren Weirding and Gempalm Incinerator) are better alternatives to deal with fatties
* currently there are only few "fatties" around, so people tend to pack Tarfires to deal with the small guys (Deathrite Shaman, Stoneforge Mystic, Insectile Aberation)
* in our deck (unlike in comtrol decks) spotremoval is used to clear the way for Goblin Piledriver, Goblin Lackey and the like. Crib Swap leaves your opponent with a blocker, which is not what we want removal to do
* fatties (if you want to handle them) can be dealt with even without removal, by either (1) throwing Piledrivers into them (at some point they need to block Piledriver or die), or (2) chumpblocking them, which is relatively easy if you are packing Mogg War Marshal
MountainCaverns, Lackey, Go.
If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchanges our apples, we each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange our ideas, we each have two ideas.
I guess you're right. I've been searching for less used cards to see if they would fit into the deck I'm doing, and I came across the Lorwyn changeling cards, and Crib Swap was interesting. There is also two or three red changeling cards that are interesting, but not too good in a goblin deck, so I was just intrigued.
Well, I was curious because my friend whom which I play against to test the deck plays a strange Orzhov legacy deck, which stalls the game with cards like Batwing Brume and a lot of control, with his "finisher" Elesh Norn. Which I can do nothing against her... Of course, this is maybe one of the only few creatures that really wrecks Goblins, and it may not be played a lot in Legacy, as far as I've seen in the top decks, but it is still really annoying, because I can'T kill her with the incinerators, and even if I bounce her with the stingscourger, he will just cast her the next turn...
What do you think about testing phyrexian metamorph in Goblins?
Last edited by AlbyLegacy; 01-07-2014 at 03:53 PM.
Since the only creatures in our deck that may be useful to copy are matron/ringleader , and since metamorph is not a goblin, we are already running 4 matrons and 4 ringleaders so there is no need to make the deck even more clunky adding another 3 cmc card. (well, sometimes it may also be useful to copy piledrivers or opponent's creatures, but in the end metamorph doesn't make the cut).
And... quoting the opening post is silly
Well, actually I would be glad to have the chance to run more than 4 Ringleaders in my deck. I have been looking for a replacement for Krenko, Mob Boss in my WInstigator build and I even considered Restoration Angel, so Phyrexian Metamorph is not totally unreasonable.Since the only creatures in our deck that may be useful to copy are matron/ringleader , and since metamorph is not a goblin, we are already running 4 matrons and 4 ringleaders so there is no need to make the deck even more clunky adding another 3 cmc card. (well, sometimes it may also be useful to copy piledrivers or opponent's creatures, but in the end metamorph doesn't make the cut).
And... quoting the opening post is silly
Thank you, AlbyLegacy for throwing this hat in the ring, I will test the card and let you know how it works.
Another thing: quoting the opening post is indeed unusual and I want to ask you to edit your posting and delete the quote.
@LeoCop 90: one thing I like about this thread the most is that we are communicating effectively and most of all, friendly. Your reply to AlbyLegacy was quite rude (calling it "stupid" to quote the whole text). Please keep your replies friendly, helpful and informative next time.
MountainCaverns, Lackey, Go.
If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchanges our apples, we each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange our ideas, we each have two ideas.
I don't have any great method myself, though I think working through games states as you posted is an excellent place to start. I've proxied up a number of the top decks to practice against, and even practice piloting. Hopefully the added familiarity will make the process go more smoothly.
A guy in my playgroup playsAbout Junkblade:
I'm not sure if I know exactly what that deck looks like. Can you post a link or a list for reference? I will then give you my thoughts on it!
DRS
SFM+Equipment
Bob
GSZ toolbox package
Abrupt Decay & StP
Discard
Some guys at the local shop play similar decks but I don't have exact lists.
Keeping equipment off the board is obviously priority number one, but it's not easy with just the one TukTuk. Perish is decent.
Don't forget that a Phyrexian Metamorph can also copy artifacts like Vial, Jitte, Swords, Bridge, Relic and Batterskull.
Last edited by Avatara; 01-07-2014 at 12:50 PM.
Meh, this indeed a hard one.
Depending on the number of discard spells I would board out 4 Aether Vials for 3 Perish and 1 Earwig Squad. Given the hate-density of the deck you may want more Earwig Squads...I would probably cut Stingscourger and/or Krenko in favor of more EWS.
Engineered Plague shouldn't be a problem, because we play the full playset of Goblin Chieftain. What really gives me headdaches is the SFM package combined with quite a number of medium-sized creatures. I would say aim for their mana-accelartion (maybe throw a Winstigator into DRS if possible and reasonable) and make sure to shut down Bob as early as possible (this guy is very good in drawing lands). This effectively leaves them in topdeck-mode and put them into a position where they can't play creatures AND use equipments in the same turn. The longer the game takes the more you can establish cardadvantage.
That's the theory at least - havn't seen the deck around yet.
What do you think is most effective?
//EDIT: talking about Metamorph, this guy can actually do a lot for the deck, even copy Tuktuk and Chieftain, which is relevant for this MU at least.
MountainCaverns, Lackey, Go.
If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchanges our apples, we each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange our ideas, we each have two ideas.
He can also copy True-Name Nemesis!
And... quoting the opening post is sillySilly = Stupid??
Perhaps a culture/language difference in meaning? I feel LeoCop handled it diplomatically especially by including the emoticon to indicate no ill intent.
Is it not? I thought those were synonymous. Thank you for pointing that out. Just another example that makes clear how important it is to double-check messages for ambiguities.Silly = Stupid??
@ Avatara:
Nice one!
MountainCaverns, Lackey, Go.
If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchanges our apples, we each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange our ideas, we each have two ideas.
Using your opponents Stoneforge Mistake to fetch your sideboarded Manriki-Gusari would also be a funny play.
Well, I just want an answer please: how would you deal with Elesh Norn and the like?
Edit: Well, funnily enough, Phyrexian Metamorph would work too, as it will cancel Elesh's ability...
You have 3 options:
Stingscourger
Warren Weirding
being faster than they can bring such fatties into play (which what happens most often actually)
I read in your last posting that your friend will cast Elesh Norn after you played Stingerscourger. If that's the case we are not talking about regular legacy matches, because that just won't happen. This beast costs 7 mana after all and if you can't break his neck before he can cast Elesh Norn you should probably work on your deck.
MountainCaverns, Lackey, Go.
If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchanges our apples, we each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange our ideas, we each have two ideas.
A quick check confirmed they are synonyms, but context is important which is why I feel he included the "
Google says:
1. having or showing a lack of common sense or judgment; absurd and foolish.
"another of his silly jokes"
synonyms:
foolish, stupid, unintelligent, idiotic, brainless, mindless, witless, imbecilic, doltish
As an American, I have only ever used silly in a whimsical way. It always surprises me how much more non-native English speakers understand the true meaning of English words. I suppose it has to do with actually learning the language instead of growing up in it and assuming you know what the words mean based on how you have heard/said them.
Given that LeoCop is Italian, I may be way off base and his intention was to be rude. Although I still doubt this.
Sorry to derail the thread with this silly exercise in word meanings!
The coolest way to deal with Elesh Norn, imo, would be Goblin Assassin.
Eventually I'll buy one =]
Super Bizarros Team. Beating everything with small green dudes and big waves.
Since the only creatures in our deck that may be useful to copy are matron/ringleader , and since metamorph is not a goblin, we are already running 4 matrons and 4 ringleaders so there is no need to make the deck even more clunky adding another 3 cmc card. (well, sometimes it may also be useful to copy piledrivers or opponent's creatures, but in the end metamorph doesn't make the cut).
And... quoting the opening post is silly
Thanks. yea I am new to the site ,sorry. lol
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