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Troll with Geddons, lol, lol!
Rhaingold, dude. All German, obv.
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I agree that Yeva is just better at the helm with Yisan as a worse, slower Pod in the deck. Part of me wants to go all in with like Contagion Clasp...but then you're paying 9 mana for your 2 drops, so bleh. I think the pile of cards you would need to make him "good" is too big to end up with any sort of reasonably functional deck, which is why I haven't really done anything with it yet.Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer
I don't know. I'm much more thrilled with Yeva, but then again Yisan would lead to pretty unusual deck. Otoh, once he'll get hit a few times, it isn't that brilliant to find Brown Ouphe forsplit over two turns.
edit: I think you may easily build a multi-purpoe pile and simply swithc Yeva and Yisan to get a completely different experience each time.
I dunno, I guess I'm at that stage in my magical career where unique effects get me excited to try things out even though my competitive player lizard brain is screaming that it's a trap. I mean hell, I just sleeved up a Zedruu list for some games tonight because I want to kill someone with a Jinxed Choker. It ain't going to happen, but it's going to be fun trying to get there.
This is a green deckbox:
There's a white one available, too. Together they form a nice green-white deckbox for my nice green-white EDH deck.
Unfortunately, I'm stuck with a green bottom and white cover. (Alternatively: a green cover and white bottom.) Something must be done about this.
I'm considering a pair of monogreen and monowhite deck.
Monogreen.
While searching for some ideas, I found this antithesis of green deck. (Note the number of creatures.) Otoh, I'd love to play Yeva and speaking of mono-green - and Yeva -, one cannot justify not running 60_Creatures.dec, right?
Ok, so monogreen should be a creature-heavy pile. I'm even considering some kind of theme, lets say Beasts, or maybe "all 4/4s" for much fun with Wild Pair, w/e.
Monowhite:
Well, it isn't that funny to play the exact same deck only in another color, amirite? So while "Whitemares" would be a nice deck, I think I'm going for something different. I guess that white could offer some removal. Targeted removal, mass creature removal, you name it. So some kind of mono-W control comes to mind. 50_Wraths.dec sounds fresh, doesn't?
I kind of want to build mono-green control...with like Thrun, the Last Troll as the commander. The win condition would be something like Thrun carrying a Batterskull into your brain pan. Maybe with like Rancor or whatever. I don't know. Point is, it would only play the bare minimum of creatures with a healthy dose of Desert Twister effects and Plow Under. Of course that kind of thing is totally atypical for a green deck, so it makes it kind of hard to fill out a list, you know?
May I suggest Avacyn, Angel of Hope at the helm? Seems perfect.
Well, I had a similar idea, I wanted to go Voltron style with Autumn Willow using only the cards from the first twenty editions (you need to do some creative math) from ABU to Exodus. But yeah... Rancor. And all other cute things since Urza block.
So maybe Thrun it is. At least I really like him, he doesn't have such beautiful art as AW, but otoh it's still very nice. And he's troll. He'll remind me of times when I played Troll Ascetics in Extended.
(But I still love to do something with Yeva. Maybe next time.)
It's pretty expensive. Also, I seriously dislike the illustration. Domina-like archangel? Uhm... no, please.
Otoh, Mageta the Lion...
Eight-And-A-Half-Tails could be fun. Although Mageta is awesome. I forgot all about him...I used to play a blue/white control deck with him, four ghostly prison, four propaganda and a bunch of counters. It was deservedly hated.
Twenty Kavus and a Dream is NOT a Legacy deck.
We've organized a rendez-vous with my friend Pavel (datanaga on Source) and we've played a few games:
Duel for painland!
I made some minor changes to the deck structure, as I noticed that starting cmc of roughly 2,75 isn't the best. So I cut some stinky cards and added several BoP clones, including freshly bought Fyndhorn Elves that surprised me with their price.
Game 1 I lost quite easily, as I mulled down to five and Elvish Piper thrown at me some 8/8 flying trample inflatable dragon.
Game 2 I once again lost, but this time it was a bit closer.
Game 3 wasn't even close as I opened with two BoPs and Indrik Stomphowler. Though I was hit by LD, lucky topdeck got me back into game and it was all quiet on western front pretty soon.
Game 4 was a brutal example of what Whitemane Lion does in conjunction with my general. But then Pavel wrathed away the board of Ramp. Baloths and quite some tokens, fortunately I drawn into more gas and then Genesis Wave for 14 which we didn't even finished resolving.
Game 5 I lost after a pretty strange and long fight where I presented only a handful of Indrik Stomphowlers triggers, while Pavel continuously pressed me. This game saw the highlight of the day, when Pavel played Praetor's Grasp and took Dust Elemental to return (amongst others) Nekrataal and then fly over my defense with my very own 6/6 flying fear dude. Strange game, but nice one, indeed!
So Pavel won those Adarkar Wastes. :)
Lovely evening, I'm looking forward to play some more EDH again!
Ideas and thoughts:
The deck is quite slow for the duel, and I fear it's not strong enoguh for 4-men seats. Otoh, it's fun and nice. I guess I should focus more on the ramp and big spells, as right now there are some stinky cards in medium cmc range that do not do enough all the while not being strong enough to make any difference in mid-game. Also, the general is on bring of awfulness, as she does very little until she starts to do quite a lot. I mean ramping out of nowhere into Wild Pair and cmc7 guys and GW:14 is a thrilling experience, but playing Kara on turn 5, an equivalent to do literally nothing, is not the best play ever.
But so far so good, but I consider tweaking the deck to a duels' nature by including some more ramp and some more Sundering and Primeval and Sylvan dudes with high p/t stats.
Edit: Also, there's a trouble with initial colored mana. Once the engine gets moving, everything's fine, but opening with three Plains sucks. Idk what should be done, I don't wanna play painlands and taplands and fastlands and whateverlands, as I like the elegance of the all-basics manabase. Otoh, I was lazy to sort it out like I do it in MWS and in fact it's quite clumsy and futile to do so on a table, so once I'll succumb to the fact that my manabse will be spread all over the place, there's no need to stay away from a Brushland or two.
Colorless fixing options!
Armillary Sphere
Horizon Spellbomb
Selesnya Signet
Also Wayfarer's Bauble, Burnished Hart, Solemn Simulacrum, and Pilgrim's Eye.
Unfortunately, these cards lack the small p/t column in their bottom left corner.(Yes, left. Heraldics, ya know...
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There was some card featuring a bear on a flying bicycle that searched for basics. Not that it's that better, I'm just curious what it could be.
I was bit unsatisfied with one deck's feature, the token generators. While they are powerful (esp. Rampaging Baloths and... uhm, Terastodon), I dislike how they force me to have another set of cards (tokens) and another deckbox. It's inelegant once again. Any idea how to solve this? Is there any EDH-friendly deckbox that could engulf the plastic deckbox and have some compartment for tokens, dice, counters, etc.? But that's a different question, though.
I'm uncertain about the gating and stampeding creatures. They're fine when they're working, but being stuck on Roraring Primadox and Indrik Stomphowler was pretty strange, and even though that was really powerful against Pavel, it was sooo slow.
Btw, I still cannot build a non-durdly EDH. While Pavle simply slams one bomb after another, I have a strong urge to twiddle with strange techs and obscure mechanics. At the end, they don't exactly satisfy me (because it's hard to make them work), and I always feel like throwing one beast after another would be more reasonable approach, esp. when under the influence. Sadly, Pavel's got easier times, as it's easier to find bombs for 5c deck, while two-colors pile must work on synergy, unless we're speaking of RW with it's lots and lots of insane dragons, angels, fireballs, removal, mass LD, etc. Also, GW combination is quite... uhm... peaceful (if you got the idea), as lots of "bombs" just gain life, draw cards, etc. But well, thats the color pie. One cannot have say Identity Crisis or Starstorm in each color.
Also, my deck is pretty vulnerable to flying creatures. Hurricane? Rather Cloudthresher, yes?
I know it's too soon to make any conclusions after some fifteen games (including ones against powerful competitive decks), but I feel like some insane dudes would be better than lots of shitty techs. One thing though... I should decide if I'll keep it as a dual deck for both 1v1 and multiplayer games. Because those titans... man... those titans!
Incoming Text Message!I know it's too soon to make any conclusions after some fifteen games (including ones against powerful competitive decks), but I feel like some insane dudes would be better than lots of shitty techs. One thing though... I should decide if I'll keep it as a dual deck for both 1v1 and multiplayer games. Because those titans... man... those titans!
So, after a Legacy portion of today's evening was over, we went to a restaurant with Martin (Sloshthedark here) and Pavel (datanaga on the same source). As Slosh doesn't even EDH, it was up to Pavel to defeat my pile of brokeness. And he done well!
I won't go into much detail, but a 1:6 results speaks for itself. Basically it was all about his bombs being more bomby than mine, his ramp being more rampy and his general being generally more general than my sleeping beauty aka Karametra "Who On Earth Earthquaked My Llanowar Elves?", Goddess on Uselessness.
Frankly, all the tricks and treats are funny, but at the end it boild down to whoever results bigger monster and who's genral deals more dmg. Kara it ain't. you know that when you got some 25 lands out and are still cold to a 5/5 arplane, something about your deck sucks; I'd guess the design.
But the one I won was pretty epic.
So far I'm done with Karametra. Even though I may redesign the deck, it's too weak, needs too much support and her ability is more cute than really good. She's got nice art, but well, so does Sigarda.
Also, the gating and stampeding creatures suck. Again, they do wonders in conjunction, but that wonder results in what, a 3/3 beast token here and there, some crappy minicombo, a land or two ramped out of deck. Bah. Needz moar powah! Slam one monster after another, etc.
It still strikes me how inefficient this color combination is speaking of some aspects, e.g. fight on stack, etc. I lost a locked game, one that I'd won after I had all my lands out, ready for insane Genesis Waves, etc. But then just: boom! some sweeper flushed away my board and hurr, hurr, 5 haste vigilnce trample general dmg. Trying to resolve a bomb? Ok, nice try, not will you deal with a 5/5 Draining Whelk. Also, DEN is plain silly. Idk why it isn't banned.
Nevermind. I still like the elegance of straight GW, but I got some ideas:
1) Sigarda Voltron. Quite obv deck, but w-e. I may be less of a kid and go with Krond.
2) Creatures horde, preferably with Gaddock or Saffi. (Or Krond. I got a soft spot for flying lions.)
3) the "iconical" GW general: Rhys, the Redeemed. One cannot be more GW, amirite?
Than there's always the option of some splash. There's even an option of a real tri-color deck. I really love Murmuring Bosk. And if only there'd be a GBW Elven legend, I'd go for a Tribal EDH that world has never seen before.
Otoh, what else is that 0/5 stump than Doran, the City-Tree?
I got it.
You know how I bought the green deckbox and the white deckbox to form a bi-color green-white deckbox? Guess what happened with the spare parts. And no, don't even start thinking I got my tokens in it, that'll be silly...
I'll make one GW Sigarda Voltron.
and I'll make one WG Creaturegeddon. It won't be using Geddons, of course... maybe. Simply a creature horde with something added,. I'm not sure what. BLast. To. Play.
Wow. I'm pure genius. I'll get to play my beloved GW combination with two completely different decks and strategies! Lovely!
Be careful with Voltron in EDH. It can become a real snooze-fest!
Man, I just solitaried the thing in MWS and you speak truth.
But then again what else should one build around Sigarda?
I like some of these ideas:
- Sigarda vs. Krond Voltron that needs not much explanation.
- Tolsimir Wolfblood Hybrid Selesnya Aggro with busted dudes like Wilt-Leaf Liege, Oversoul of Dusk, Loxodon Smiter, Fleecemane Lion, Juniper Order Druid and such.
- Trostani's Chorus with heaps of ramp and etb triggers.
- Oldschool GW "build around" one of the original GW Legends; silly idea, isn't?
I have never been a fan of Green and White in EDH: Either it is straight forward with Aura Voltron, or it involves tokens (and since games go forever, counters/tokens get hard to keep track of). I played a Ghave, Guru of Spores deck one time before I grew tired of keeping track of all of the tokens and counters.
If you want to add another color, GWB opens you up to some fun possibilities: Karador can do some really fun stuff with ditching creatures into your yeard and brining them back out. It has a GW aggro feel while still being able to use (and sometimes abuse) the graveyard. Doran is HILARIOUS and is a nice twist on aggro. You can really open yourself up to some new cards when you use him. Also, having a 5/5 for 3 is never bad :)
What about something silly and completely uncharted like Sigarda lands.dek? Run stuff like Exploration, Horn of Greed, Burgeoning and Asuza to find ye olde Thespian's Stage + Dark Depths "combo" with like...Knight of the Reliquary back-up. Plan B could be a couple of Sword of X and Y or whatever in case someone eats one of the lands somehow. Then you stuff the rest of the deck full of jank like Tempt with Discovery, Realms Uncharted and so on plus about 50 lands of varying utility and/or basic-ness and go to town. You get access to white removal like swords, utility dorks like Hushwing Gryff (which doesn't affect you at all save maybe an Eternal Witness or something) and maybe a couple of fatties (e.g. Terravore) as Plan C.
Then you're either on the lands matter game, the voltron game, or the smash face game depending what your draw looks like.
Well, I twiddle with this is because I want to stay true to GW, mostly for a petty reasons like that it was my first beloved colour combination, I like the elegance of bi-color (and for that matter: GW) build, moreover Karador or Teneb are a bit predictable. Doran isn't, I guess; shame that are so few black elves, I'd build a GWB Elves with Doran as their city-tree.
I definitely won't build anything with counters and tokens, it's annoying. I even realized I hate my sole three token generators, Thragtusk, Terastodon and especially Rampaging Baloths, who are pretty powerful in Karametra deck, yet also pretty bothersome. I'm inclined to simply ditch the whole tokens (maybe even Terastodon, it's pretty humiliating to lose to my own tokens) and simply build a straightforward GW aggro with Tolsimir Wolfblood at helm. Otoh, it's begging for troubles, as removing Tolsimir halfway through combat step might be tragic. Still, it's either him or Sigarda.
Pity the price of everything, I'd love to brew, but I got nearly nothing left on my MKM account, and I don't feel like wasting cash on this. I think I'll try some builds in MWS to see how they goldfish to get grip of mana problems, overall flow and feel of the deck and lets see what will come out of it.
Where are you looking to play this deck? Kitchen table with friends? LGS with semi-serious EDH players?
If you are looking for some kitchen table fun, you can pretty much do anything. Tolsimir aggro could work. Green with ramp and big fatties to play always has a chance in EDH.
I have played both casual and semi-competitive games. I MUCH prefer the casual games. You can experiment with pet decks that may not be cut-throat, but are very fun to play. I hope you find what you are looking for! It is a very fun format. :)
Well, it's easier than that: I'm going to play mostly 1v1 with a friend of mine who's got his savage Horde of Budget Cards. I'm not completely against 2v2 (or any othe multiplayer), but those games tend to become really long, tedious, unending and all about politics, which I dislike; I wanna play the game of Magic, not manipulate people, take care of million triggers, wait for my turn like it's HoM&M3 Month4, Week4, Day7.
There are weekly 1v1 Commander tournaments in our lgs, I may practise from time to time. But mostly it's meant for the pub.
I think I'll acquire some amount of useful cards and start there brewing...
PS: Doran, hm? I like the RGW dual. And I like how black improves the removal suite. I must keep this possibility in mind!
Ok, I know I'm a pussy and intolerable, and that I change my mind more often than a small girl, but w/e.
BGW it'll be. GW's inability to make some of the more important things, and my inability to choose one of the more important EDH aspect (you know: who will be the general) was a bit bothersome. I just don't know if I should use:
- Doran; offers interesting ability, is easy to play, starts beating as soon as turn2, and gets insane with cheap +0/+X enhancements
- Teneb; flies over stalls, isn't a completely bad general, doesn't depend on my own grave
- Karador; most efficient gy-based general, but pretty much predictable like Venezuelan telenovelle, makes nothing in face of gy hosers
The reasons why to go Abzan:
- Murmuring Bosk
- Krosan Verge and Murmuring Bosk
- heavy removal suite
- lots of interesting etb dudes
- access to more bombs than in straight GW
- more CA
- potential for Reanimate and LftL subtheme.
- discard suite may matter (Identity Crisis, Mind Twist substitutions)
- several other tricks
- surprisingly, it has better fixation possibilites with all the "tap: add black" elves...
- ...and signets
- more colourful manabase
The reasons why to not go Abzan:
- I won't be playing tutors (except maybe for GSZ), they distract
- I'll try to stay away from fugly cards
- I hope I won't get mad of my manabase
- I may bother my friends with Identity Twists (but I won't)
- more expensive than Selesnya
- more colourful manabase (I'm a great fan of uniformity)
So far I'm undecided on the general, but I guess it doesn't matter that much, Ghave is bothersome and of the remaining three, Doran needs different approach. I'll settle with Teneb for now. I dislike the durdly nature of Karador deck, but maybe, maybe...
I'll try to stay away from Cool Things. A simple deck with simple plan. Also: absolutely no tokens and counters. I'm even considering to drop Terastoslon, but maybe I'll keep this one.
Awesome! I'm happy you landed on one.
Just to stir the pot: If you are looking for an aggro strategy, Doran can really be a champ. Between Indomitable Ancients, Guiltfeeder and Tangle Angler, you get some AMAZING value when playing Doran
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