[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[Dia_Bot]

@Defense Grid: I used to play 3 Defense Grids during the mental misstep area (mostly because they didn't cost 1 ) and it was definitely fine. They basicaly can't do anything in their own turn they want to keep force mana up which give you plenty of time to set up your hand. It is however obviously way better with chants (but I haven't played white since they printed Abrupt Decay ).

I'm still unsure is Xantid Swarm isn't better in comparison to Defense Grid. Defense Grid would be sided in in more matchups and doesn't die to bolts or stp but has the downside of costing one more mana and having weird interaction with discard spells...

@the combo matchups: right now I play flusterstorm to combat the mirror, Show and Tell and (to a lesser extend) Reanimator. But I'm not at all convinced they are worth the slots since Show and Tell decks aren't played as much anymore and Reanimator doesn't improve that much with flusterstorm.
Which there was a card that would solve the reanimator and storm mirror match but I've jet to find one unfortunatly.

[CabalTherapy]

Which there was a card that would solve the reanimator and storm mirror match but I've jet to find one unfortunatly.

There is one: Extirpate.
Great against combo strategies and Miracles.

[Dia_Bot]

There is one: Extirpate.
Great against combo strategies and Miracles.

Yeah, the split second clause actually makes it a decent fit. Think I will give it a shot

[davelin]

There is one: Extirpate.
Great against combo strategies and Miracles.

Extraction effects have been typically seen as just mediocre against Miracles, can you expound on why you think they are great?

[Ancestral]

Yeah, the split second clause actually makes it a decent fit. Think I will give it a shot

i play a tournament this weekend and play 2 surgical extration in sideboard (for testing reasons) and i was very pleased with the extration effect. But overall i gues extirpate it´s better because split second it´s really good at this moment

[Ancestral]

can anyone tell me some tips or good sideboard cards against MUD? my next tournament it will be like 15 guys and at least 4 MUD decks, since it´s a hard matchup, there are any way to improve this?

[Dia_Bot]

can anyone tell me some tips or good sideboard cards against MUD? my next tournament it will be like 15 guys and at least 4 MUD decks, since it´s a hard matchup, there are any way to improve this?

Best card against MUD is probably rebuild. If your meta is about 1/3 MUD I would def consider playing a couple. Other than that, play out your artifact mana to avoid getting blown out by taxing counters and chalice on zero and be careful for wasteland (first get out your basics). It is a rough matchup but the deck does lose to itself some times + they are just dead to T1 combo's so don't sideboard out fast mana.

[Lemnear]

can anyone tell me some tips or good sideboard cards against MUD? my next tournament it will be like 15 guys and at least 4 MUD decks, since it´s a hard matchup, there are any way to improve this?

Don't play storm

[Ancestral]

Best card against MUD is probably rebuild. If your meta is about 1/3 MUD I would def consider playing a couple. Other than that, play out your artifact mana to avoid getting blown out by taxing counters and chalice on zero and be careful for wasteland (first get out your basics). It is a rough matchup but the deck does lose to itself some times + they are just dead to T1 combo's so don't sideboard out fast mana.

thanks rebuild it´s a card that i never though about i´m gonna try it, thanks a lot for the tips

@lemnear: that´s not an option this tournaments for me are just opportunitys to learn better the deck, so i will continue to play it :)

[CabalTherapy]

Extraction effects have been typically seen as just mediocre against Miracles, can you expound on why you think they are great?

Your manner implies that there is a general notion about the use of this card against another certain deck. Interesting.
It's not a "Extraction effect"! It is Extirpate! And I know that it is very good against them. Since it is already 1am and I don't have the time to go into detail let me summarize my experience: Extirpate...
-lets us see the hand of the player
-lets us strip his Counterbalance/FoW/whathaveyou apart with the help of Decay or a discard spell
-allows for a fast 2nd game because it is castable from turn 1 on if Miracle player has pondered or already countered stuff
-split second: "No, your FoW doesn't have power here."

Of course, aside from being good in other MU. But I am sure, sloshthedark, can elaborate on this card, too.

[Sloshthedark]

@Pimp - I see it the other way, a month after completing, my shiny/foreign just became standard visuals for me having seen them thousand times, people who wanting to have a closer look catch me by surprise sometimes... which doesn't mean I can't appreciate money and effort other put into their beauty... the other interesting thing is how telling are some languages/ pimp stuff of your archetype and how it affects your opps mindset towards your experience and competency

I love how people don't evaluate card choices and copy Royce's list. Nothing can weaken his accomplishment but the fact that people are slamming Dark Confidant in the US again is hilarious. See SCG Richmond 13th place. Bob Maher is really a weak card in our SB.

it is amusing... same with Prosak's "signature" - Gemstone mine, 16 cantrips and that awful stuff hiding your hand...

With the rise of uwr delver/stoneblade decks we have to face more annoying meddling mages and ethersworn canonists in addition to pyroblasts.
chain of vapor is still a good weapon against those creatures . Generally I'm not a huge fan of removal which can be countered by pyroblasts although we can play around them. i already saw some guys here in germany packing in some number of massacre and pyroclasm in their sideboards and I'm wondering how nessecary they are.

Another card i would like to talk about is Defense Grid which seems like a xantid swarm with haste for 2 mana most of the time. Because it has 'hexproof' or should i say 'boltproof' defense grid could become a great tool to create a huge barrier and many delver decks struggle when it hits the battlefield.
defense grid together with carpet of flowers is my plan against UR Delver and UWR Delver/stoneblade these days.

This weekend there is a tournament in germany/hannover with around 70 Players and here is my sideboard for the event:

2 Defense Grid
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Massacre (I used to play Dread of Night before but Death&Taxes disappeared and massacre seems great against Decks splashing Meddling Mages)
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Chain of Vapor
1 Thoughtseize
1 ?

The last card could be anything and i don't even think that it is needed to be honest.
The Metagame has a wide variety of decks (as always), there is not a deck in particular which got a huge popularity.

Currently I'm also testing a new blowout card in the sideboard: Meddling Mage itself +1 Tundra to combat other Combodecks and the Mirror in Particular.
Resolve Meddling Mage naming Tendrils of Agony and the Game is immediately over !
The Guy has also a great synergy with gitaxian probe.
Stefan Schütz from Austria came up with the idea, he told me that he plays Ethersworn Canonist in his Ant sideboard and since then he always wins the mirror because those " Oops, I win" cards.

Greeting :)

UWR - 2x Pyroblast, 2x Massacre, 2x Decay and I'm very happy facing UWR

Grid is awful as 1 can be easily paid for and runs into SP, used to be decent right after Snapcaster release

btw. I'd be my pleasure to murder the gentleman after he naively goes for the Cannonist =) the idea is old but I haven't actually seen anyone really perform it ... but in Berlin this mindgame might be great

Extraction effects have been typically seen as just mediocre against Miracles, can you expound on why you think they are great?

http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=15272&iddeck=113405

because Snapcaster is your no.1 problem in long games (might be biased because Philip and Tomas both board out EtA which makes the MU a lot easier)

edit - tried to fit 2 but really 1 is probably enough... it has stripped countless fows from my opps hands and put unbeatable hands to embarassment.... I just like the card, it has been in my SB 95% of the time last 3 years

can anyone tell me some tips or good sideboard cards against MUD? my next tournament it will be like 15 guys and at least 4 MUD decks, since it´s a hard matchup, there are any way to improve this?

EtW MD, 3xRebuild/Recall and you're fine

[davelin]

Your manner implies that there is a general notion about the use of this card against another certain deck. Interesting.
It's not a "Extraction effect"! It is Extirpate! And I know that it is very good against them. Since it is already 1am and I don't have the time to go into detail let me summarize my experience: Extirpate...
-lets us see the hand of the player
-lets us strip his Counterbalance/FoW/whathaveyou apart with the help of Decay or a discard spell
-allows for a fast 2nd game because it is castable from turn 1 on if Miracle player has pondered or already countered stuff
-split second: "No, your FoW doesn't have power here."

Of course, aside from being good in other MU. But I am sure, sloshthedark, can elaborate on this card, too.

I haven't seen many folks advocating Extripate against Miracle decks, and I know others have expounded that Extracting a discarded FoW isn't all that great. Sure Extripate can get rid of those cards with the help of Decay or discard, I don't disagree with your general points but I think "great" may be a tad overstating it.

That being said I'll have to give it a shot, I agree with the notion that it's good in the mirror and against Reanimator so having an overlapping tool with Miracles is a big boon.

[Ancestral]

EtW MD, 3xRebuild/Recall and you're fine

yep i guess i´ll try that :D but with ETW main deck should i cut ad nauseam ? it really hurts my heart cutting this card ahah

[HrishiQQ]

I have been trying to incorporate a heavier use of Grim Tutor in my build. I'm trying it out as a 2-of and even thinking about 3, but the life loss is quite relevant already. I'm trying to minimize using any other lifeloss effect in order to allow running this. I've been impressed with how versatile it allows me to play, such as being able to fetch up singleton SB answers, but the mana cost is a little restrictive. Any thoughts on this? Has anybody tried this before? Are there any other changes I could make to allow for easier usage of this card?

[lordofthepit]

@Pimp - I see it the other way, a month after completing, my shiny/foreign just became standard visuals for me having seen them thousand times, people who wanting to have a closer look catch me by surprise sometimes... which doesn't mean I can't appreciate money and effort other put into their beauty... the other interesting thing is how telling are some languages/ pimp stuff of your archetype and how it affects your opps mindset towards your experience and competency




it is amusing... same with Prosak's "signature" - Gemstone mine, 16 cantrips and that awful stuff hiding your hand...




UWR - 2x Pyroblast, 2x Massacre, 2x Decay and I'm very happy facing UWR

Grid is awful as 1 can be easily paid for and runs into SP, used to be decent right after Snapcaster release

btw. I'd be my pleasure to murder the gentleman after he naively goes for the Cannonist =) the idea is old but I haven't actually seen anyone really perform it ... but in Berlin this mindgame might be great





http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=15272&iddeck=113405

because Snapcaster is your no.1 problem in long games (might be biased because Philip and Tomas both board out EtA which makes the MU a lot easier)

edit - tried to fit 2 but really 1 is probably enough... it has stripped countless fows from my opps hands and put unbeatable hands to embarassment.... I just like the card, it has been in my SB 95% of the time last 3 years



EtW MD, 3xRebuild/Recall and you're fine

I'd also like to chime in with another comment, as someone who plays both Miracles and ANT fairly regularly: as a Miracles player, I will often be trying to float a Counterspell, Force of Will, or Flusterstorm on top of my library if I have a Sensei's Divining Top available. In the grindy games, Extirpate not only strips the Miracles players of a key card, but it also completely messes up this plan, and I almost never see this coming since storm players don't typically play Krosan Grip or Extirpate.

Note that in this particular matchup, Surgical Extraction is not worth the slot, whereas Extirpate can be useful.

[Togores]

A friend sended me this song and then realized the name of it hahahaha
Its a signal of the Prophethy

elemental-nightmares singing eternal-storm

https://elemental-nightmares.bandcam...ngs-of-silence

[afb0032]

A friend sended me this song and then realized the name of it hahahaha
Its a signal of the Prophethy

elemental-nightmares singing eternal-storm

https://elemental-nightmares.bandcam...ngs-of-silence

Pretty good song. Don't forget, great wings of silence = xantid swarm

[Ornament]

Aside from the obvious inclusion of 4 polluted delta's. Which other fetches are best suited in ANT. Thank you.

[Lemnear]

Aside from the obvious inclusion of 4 polluted delta's. Which other fetches are best suited in ANT. Thank you.

As the decision between Bayou and Badlands this is mainly a matter of your SB. If you run plenty of green answers like Xantid or Decay you want Rainforests to fetch the Bayou; if you run EtW, Pyromancer or the like in the SB you want Scalding Tarns to fetch Badlands.

[Sloshthedark]

Aside from the obvious inclusion of 4 polluted delta's. Which other fetches are best suited in ANT. Thank you.

I'm quite happy with 4Delta 3U 2B conf, R or G see above


On Cannonist - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/253508#paper