All B/R update speculation.

[Ace/Homebrew]

There was no [/s] at the end, so obviously I wasn't being sarcastic.

Okay! Thanks for clarifying. That's why I wanted to check first.


That is a ridiculous statement and completely absurd to say.

[[SLAYER]chaos]

I said this on facebook but I expect shops in the short term to have an even higher win percentage than before as every casual mtgo vintage player suddenly takes out their shops hate and gets crushed by it still.

[iatee]

Magic would be much better if every card were as well-designed as 'Waste Not'.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Magic would be much better if every card were as well-designed as 'Waste Not'.

And that card took several weeks to come up with, not everyone in the community was happy with it, and it sees next to no play.
You'd be lucky to get a new set every other year, and still most of the community would be unhappy with the results.

That is patently stupid. The idea is bad and you should feel bad.

[iatee]

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[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

What?

I was being sarcastic




Magic players seem to think they know how to 'Balance' a format. Magic players dream up incredibly shitty theoretical cards and don't seem to realize that the OP group is as vested in the commercial success of MtG as it is the environments themselves. Magic players have completely different goals when it comes to what they want out of a game, or a tournament, or a format. Magic Players are, as a group, terrifying short-sighted pack animals with herd mentality.

So what you are saying is that Magic players are stupid but WotC is not. You are saying that Magic players are so stupid that they can't make better decisions than WotC who does even test eternal formats. Hey I have a question for you, do you work for WotC?


You know, in the 20-ish years I have been playing and Judging, I'm pretty confident that I can count the number of truly bad/detrimental decisions that WotC has made in regards to card legality on one hand. And during that time, they've seen astronomical growth, both in player count and tournament attendance.

WotC approves this message.
Seriously though, just because the game is good doesn't mean it shouldn't be made better.

Statistically, WotC's approach to format construction over the last decade has fallen in line with their objectives for each one. Legacy and Vintage are typically very hands-off - the action in Vintage against Shops over the last year is actually pretty remarkable in context. Modern is a Curated format, so they are much more likely to take aggressive action in regards to recent tournament results to circumvent a loss of support from the community (and the community has come to expect that kind of action.) And Standard is a format that is Tested aggressively in the Development phase, so it's significantly rarer for any action to happen there.

So you are saying that WotC is so amazing and whatnot. But you just wrote a piece of the evidence against yourself. Modern is a format that is under the tight hold of WotC. Look where it's at. Legacy is less tightly managed. Now tell me which format do you like better?Now I am not saying that WotC is a bad company or anything. They test limited and I gotta say that format consistently pleases me. What I am saying is that those who don't test a format should not manage it.

[Whitefaces]

Worst rebuttal on this forum...ever?

[CutthroatCasual]

As I said before, if they print more cascade spells, than I have faith that the card could be good to great.

Maro has said that the likelihood of cascade coming back is very, very low.

[jrsthethird]

Swords and Thopters are flying off the shelves like crazy today, but Visions just keep going down, down, down. If you got $50 for them earlier today, you were lucky. Now they're being listed around $35.

I pulled my two and I'm probably going to keep them. They'll either trade much higher than I can sell them for, or I can pick up two more and try out Faeries in Modern. I've considered it before, and now it seems like a legit deck.

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

Worst rebuttal on this forum...ever?

Maybe it is just that you are an old fart who doesn't want change?

Edit: sorry. I had to respond like this because this guy just posted a very s.o.a.b response to my post.

[maharis]

Swords and Thopters are flying off the shelves like crazy today, but Visions just keep going down, down, down. If you got $50 for them earlier today, you were lucky. Now they're being listed around $35.

I pulled my two and I'm probably going to keep them. They'll either trade much higher than I can sell them for, or I can pick up two more and try out Faeries in Modern. I've considered it before, and now it seems like a legit deck.

Sword is really the story as far as I'm concerned. AV could be a good card, but won't be nearly as consistently good or flexible as the Thopter combo.

Today was a good day for Magic. Modern really needed an unbanning. It's a joke that AV and SotM were banned to begin with.

In vintage, I understand why shops players feel targeted, though I do think prison shops was probably the objective best deck to pick even post-Chalice. I hope they continue to refine the format so that combo doesn't just take over.

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

So who here has agreed or is beginning to agree with me on what I am saying about players voting for banlist changes? I want to figure out whether I am just blabbing on and on for no reason or if people are actually interested in this idea.

[Whitefaces]

So who here has agreed or is beginning to agree with me on what I am saying about players voting for banlist changes? I want to figure out whether I am just blabbing on and on for no reason or if people are actually interested in this idea.

That blabbing on and on for no reason part, first thing you've said that actually makes sense.

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

That blabbing on and on for no reason part, first thing you've said that actually makes sense.

What doesn't make sense to you? How can you not understand the simple statement that supports my idea: you can't manage a format that you don't test.

[MorphBerlin]

The problem with restricting Golem is that we still haven't finished adjusting to having Chalice restricted, and shops is a good balancing boogeyman to have.

Did you watch the VSL? Shops was clearly above every other deck, sure it is Vintage, Storm can always luck out some Matches, but overall it was pretty obvious. I mean they agreed to not play shops in the semis because of that.

I don't play vintage anymore, but Shops players have a history of whining, I remember even when they lost Trini they were complaining, that that was unfair :)

[Megadeus]

That's because those clowns were playing decks with 4x Mental Misstep, flusterstorms, etc... They all played decks that shops fucking crushes then instead of adapting, bitched about it.

[iatee]

What doesn't make sense to you? How can you not understand the simple statement that supports my idea: you can't manage a format that you don't test.

Wizards does test Modern and Legacy and they don't even have to pay anybody. They don't have the resources to 'break' every card in older formats - even most pros couldn't find the optimal Eldrazi deck in Modern. So they test by letting people play with the cards, and when the formats break, they fix it.

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

Wizards does test Modern and Legacy and they don't even have to pay anybody. They don't have the resources to 'break' every card in older formats - even most pros couldn't find the optimal Eldrazi deck in Modern. So they test by letting people play with the cards, and when the formats break, [[they fix it]].

1) WotC doesn't test the formats. Players do. WotC just looks at tournament results and makes a guess as to what to change.
2) WotC isn't very good at fixing formats. They make stupid banlist changes and do not act unless they have to(as someone else said earlier in this discussion)

[CutthroatCasual]

So who here has agreed or is beginning to agree with me on what I am saying about players voting for banlist changes? I want to figure out whether I am just blabbing on and on for no reason or if people are actually interested in this idea.

This is a terrible idea. It would become an (un)popularity contest, and you'd get people voting for changes in formats they don't play.

[CutthroatCasual]

That's because those clowns were playing decks with 4x Mental Misstep, flusterstorms, etc... They all played decks that shops fucking crushes then instead of adapting, bitched about it.

If they want to play blue they should be playing Legacy.