Modern Masters 2017

[Ace/Homebrew]

I think that art is a definite upgrade, but I'm not really going to move my playset, reprint sets really screw up my collection storage scheme.

I would like a print of that art though, Richard Wright does some nice stuff.

Ugh, I disagree... Dungeon Ghost Waterfall isn't better than the original artwork. The original doesn't demonstrate 'souls' as well, but at least it is unmistakably a cavern.

Would have preferred rare over mythic, but am still hopeful the price on original foils will trend down so I can finish my playset!

[rubblekill]

Seems like goyf is in the set. The value of this set is insane

[H]

Ugh, I disagree... Dungeon Ghost Waterfall isn't better than the original artwork. The original doesn't demonstrate 'souls' as well, but at least it is unmistakably a cavern.

Would have preferred rare over mythic, but am still hopeful the price on original foils will trend down so I can finish my playset!

And here I felt like the souls part was more important than the cavern. Opinions and taste? Gross man,

The new art reminds me of Moria from LotR, upon which a great part of another (my favorite) fantasy series is based. I like it, maybe not so as a "cavern of souls" but as a piece of art. Richard Wright often evokes that Moria ascetic, for which I am a definite sucker.

[Phoenix Ignition]

With Blood Moon and Voice they're really going to nuke Modern's value from orbit, assuming the printing information rumors are legit.

This is a pretty huge change from how they've handled these sets in the past.

As a Modern player who owns all these cards I can't be happier. I started Legacy when the most expensive non-duals were like $5-10 and duals were $10(non-blue)- $20 (blue). Excited to see the weekly playerbase grow a lot, if not by players then at least by accessible decks. I know a lot of people who only have a single deck due to budget and this should help a lot.

[keys]

Seems like goyf is in the set. The value of this set is insane

Goyf/Confidant/Clique had the limelight the last two releases, so who knows.

The second green Mythic could still be Noble Hierarch (shifted from rare), Primeval Titan, Thrun, Tooth & Nail, Vengevine, Doubling Season, Worldspine Wurm...

[H]

It's confirmed as 'Goyf though.

[rubblekill]

The second green mythic is hoof

[keys]

It's confirmed as 'Goyf though.

Oh snap. This set is insane.

[Claymore]

Wonder if this is due to the new management style. Give minimal shits about secondary market. String in new players with digital. Market the hell out of standard and get them into stores to play that. Flatline modern staples so that it's not expensive to upgrade your deck when it rotates.

Shifting Snapcaster and Cavern still doesn't quite make sense in this case, but this is a total shift from MM15 on.

[H]

Oh snap. This set is insane.

I think, perhaps, just perhaps, Wizards finally gets the idea of "organic growth," that is, growing the game from the customers you already have.

It's good to attract the new players, but there is only so many people out there who want to play Magic. But growing the game among the already existing base is a very good idea, because these people are already fans, already know the game and so are often willing to spend more.

Take the $10 a month fan and make him or her a $50 a month spender. Take the 50 and make him or her 100. This is the kind of growth that can really sustain the game. Take the EDH player and make him or her a Modern player. Make the Standard player a Modern one. Make the Modern player an EDH player.

This is contingent on the print run of this set being as big as rumored though.

[keys]

Countdown until the next spike on reserved list cards?

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

Stop overexagerating... This set is going to have a similar print run to MM15.

[MaximumC]

As a Modern player who owns all these cards I can't be happier. I started Legacy when the most expensive non-duals were like $5-10 and duals were $10(non-blue)- $20 (blue). Excited to see the weekly playerbase grow a lot, if not by players then at least by accessible decks. I know a lot of people who only have a single deck due to budget and this should help a lot.

Vintage/Legacy player here, and ditto. I maintain a huge number of casual decks for family play, usually budget versions of real competitive decks. Sets like this that even temporarily nuke the prices of staple cards are enormous and bring me to the secondary market in a big way.

This. I hope this is a dry run for REAL reprints to support older formats. Could we have this kind of set for another Eternal Masters? We'll see what the fallout from this set is for the secondary market. I'm pleased that WoTC finally grew a pair and really went after the out-of-control secondary market prices.

I agree this set is awesome and it will help solve (temporarily) a price problem that has plagued Modern for awhile. I disagree with the sentiment that this is a new thing. Wizards has been reprinting their little butts off for years now, for crying out loud. This is more of the wonderful, wonderful same.

Now just get rid of the Reserved List and reprint the ABUR dual lands and we'll breathe some life into Legacy.

This will never happen. Say this instead:

Now just print functionally different (such as colorshifted) versions of cards on the Reserve List and reprint cards that compete with the ABUR dual lands in a similar fashion and we'll breathe some life into Legacy.

Also, can we get some love for this gorgeous new art on Serum Visions?

[Barook]

Countdown until the next spike on reserved list cards?

Jokes on you, that would require the Legacy to grow.

I think, perhaps, just perhaps, Wizards finally gets the idea of "organic growth," that is, growing the game from the customers you already have.

It's good to attract the new players, but there is only so many people out there who want to play Magic. But growing the game among the already existing base is a very good idea, because these people are already fans, already know the game and so are often willing to spend more.

Take the $10 a month fan and make him or her a $50 a month spender. Take the 50 and make him or her 100. This is the kind of growth that can really sustain the game. Take the EDH player and make him or her a Modern player. Make the Standard player a Modern one. Make the Modern player an EDH player.

This is contingent on the print run of this set being as big as rumored though.

Wonder if this is due to the new management style. Give minimal shits about secondary market. String in new players with digital. Market the hell out of standard and get them into stores to play that. Flatline modern staples so that it's not expensive to upgrade your deck when it rotates.

Shifting Snapcaster and Cavern still doesn't quite make sense in this case, but this is a total shift from MM15 on.

Chris Cocks became CEO on June 1st last year. Given how the Masters set have a shortened development cycle, I wouldn't be suprised if he showed up and told them to "REPRINT FUCKING EVERYTHING", Glengarry Glen Ross-style:



It's well-known that Magic has a shit retention rate of players. With the increased competition from digital games and stagnating player numbers, it makes sense to keep people longer around to compensate for fewer people who start playing Magic.

[Dice_Box]

Where are the rumors of the increased print size coming from?

[Tokugawa]

Guild signets reprinted, which occupied 10 slots. Artifacts like Ensnaring Bridge, Batterskull and Engineered explosives are ruled out.

[Barook]

Where are the rumors of the increased print size coming from?

Social media, mainly from shop owners. Take that with a grain of salt. 5 times the print run of MMA15 is the quoted number.

And to be fair, reprinting everything, just to be stingy with print numbers, would be a dick move that would hurt everyone.

[RobNC]

Where are the rumors of the increased print size coming from?

People claiming to be store owners, or people saying they're friends with store owners, on reddit from what I can tell. Apparently the amount stores could order was very high, particularly compared to the small limits on EMA.

[Claymore]

The general gist of it is that previously, shop owners were told how much they could receive. Now they're being asked how much do they want.

Some followup reports are that small shop owners are getting supplies ganked for the larger stores, so not really sure anymore.

[RobNC]

One question on my mind right now is how the hell do they top this next time? Not nearly enough money cards like this for EMA 2018 that aren't reserved list, and I can't think of much else that'd cause this much excitement for MM2019. Especially if they toss a few $50+ cards like Doubling Season, Explosives, and Hierarch in here this time around.