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    Re: Commander 2014 thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cheese View Post
    Had the same question and after looking around, I'm pretty sure it's 4, since it's copying the spell as it exists on the stack. FWIW, this also means copying a spell with Storm is pretty pointless since Storm triggers as a spell is cast, and copies aren't cast.
    Correct. But not being cast also has its advantages. The main one being Counterbalance.
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    Quizzle I owe you an apology.
    Copying Entreat with Dualcaster is, in fact, NOT terrible.

    Still, Dualcaster doesn't fit nicely into any existing decks therefore it can never be played. Now excuse me while I search TCDecks for whatever I'm playing this week. I think it's called Viking something...

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    Re: Commander 2014 thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    I like you.

    In a format where Brainstorm is more widespread than cancer, he should definitely find some targets. Copying your own TC or opposing TCs is obviously good as well.
    Brainstorm gets banned, before this guy gets playable.



    For Snapcaster stats (2/1 1R) it would be a very interesting card. As is, as said. Crap
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamajellydonut View Post
    Reef Wurm is really cute, especially the art, but most things don't "die" nowadays and Pandemonium has been crappy Johnny bait for going on sixteen years now.
    Agreed, my point was not so much about the tournament playability of pandemonium, but more to demonstrate an easily overlooked element of reef wurm. Not that I would buy the card, because it's simply not good enough by itself I think.

    Dualcaster Mage however, is a solid purchase imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by apple713 View Post
    i agree, i think it actually fits nicely with cabal therapy. which would lend itself more towards nic fit than any other deck in the format right now. Its just a good beater really. trying to use it with pandemonium seems difficult and inefficient, especially since it falls short on damage 18 instead of 20.
    Nic fit seems like the best deck to try it out in a competitive deck

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamajellydonut View Post
    Correct. But not being cast also has its advantages. The main one being Counterbalance.
    I guess, that would probably be more relevant if it wasn't an ETB effect though.

    He is a Human though, which was a pretty popular setting for Cavern of Souls at one point.
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    Re: Commander 2014 thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cheese View Post
    I guess, that would probably be more relevant if it wasn't an ETB effect though.
    He costs 3cc. That's reliable enough.
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    Strategically important is that, in a vacuum Dualcaster Mage is always better than the opponent's spell. 1: Your spell resolves first, 2: Your spell leaves a 2/2 body in addition to the symmetric spell effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamajellydonut View Post
    He costs 3cc. That's reliable enough.
    Eh, between Clique, Entreat, and Council's Judgement it's not like Miracles can't find a 3. I say drop Green and go with Flashy Grixis. Cavern on Humans gets you this guy, Snapcaster, Izzet Staticaster, and Lotion Theif. Now just find a reliable way to get to 7 mana!
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    I got quoted, and people agreed with me ! wow! I'm just used to posting crappy decklists on spoiler threads that get ignored. . . this is new

    That said - to repeat something Reef wurm plus reccuring nightmare doesn't seem awful. I mean . . . it is awful since it's too expensive, but it looks much better than Pandemonium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humphrey View Post
    Brainstorm gets banned, before this guy gets playable.



    For Snapcaster stats (2/1 1R) it would be a very interesting card. As is, as said. Crap
    It would be beyond broken at 1R.

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    Twinflame+Dualcaster is pretty nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Twinflame+Dualcaster is pretty nice.
    I think you just broke the format.

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    For that matter, Dualcaster on Howl of the Horde is gonna wreck lives! Six copies of Galvanic Blast on the stack, fucker!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Twinflame+Dualcaster is pretty nice.
    How do you stack the effects to go infinite with this? I don't think you can without a second twinflame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamajellydonut View Post
    Not quite. You can't copy the Twinflame with the copy of Dualcaster Mage.

    Why can't you? The original twinflame has not resolved yet. It's a legitimate target, no?

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    Have a creature in play, cast twinflame, then cast dualcaster with the new copy target dualcaster and go off. You need a creature in play to start the combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    How do you stack the effects to go infinite with this? I don't think you can without a second twinflame?
    I guess you'd have to have a body in play so you can cast twinflame first. Maybe Heat Shimmer is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star|Scream View Post
    Why can't you? The original twinflame has not resolved yet. It's a legitimate target, no?
    Triggered abilities don't go on the stack until a player would receive priority.

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    Re: Commander 2014 thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    How do you stack the effects to go infinite with this? I don't think you can without a second twinflame?
    Twinflame targeting any dude
    Dualcaster in response to your own Twinflame
    Assume helpless opponent
    Dualcaster resolves, targets Twinflame
    Dualcaster's ability resolves; Twinflame copy goes on top of the stack
    Twinflame copy resolves, targets Dualcaster
    Twinflame copy resolves; Dualcaster copy targets original Twinflame
    and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Triggered abilities don't go on the stack until a player would receive priority.
    Huh? Read Tsumi's response above.

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