The future of Legacy?

[Dice_Box]

just a piece of cardboard? no magical feelings?
i can agree that we're having first world problems right here, but i still think that a tropical island is more than a piece of cardboard otherwise i wouldn't play it in my deck...

That's fine, I am sure that about 50 people around me don't feel the same way. Lose one player, gain 50? I will take that trade.

[CabalTherapy]

just a piece of cardboard? no magical feelings?
i can agree that we're having first world problems right here, but i still think that a tropical island is more than a piece of cardboard otherwise i wouldn't play it in my deck...

"Magical feelings" or simply said sentiment doesn't go along with some kind of financial value but with memories you have while looking at the card. "Oh I remember when I played the Tropical Island and then got crushed by Belcher. Those were happy times."

Duals for 10$/E?! That would be awesome for the game.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Which would rather blow 2k on: pieces of cardboard or a piece of ass?

Cardboard. (And this comes from a guy with a relentless and unapologetic ass fixation.

[Ace/Homebrew]

i still think that a tropical island is more than a piece of cardboard

Well yeah... It's also an Island and a Forest.

[MGB]

Cardboard holds its value and doesn't talk back.

This.

To expand on point A in that sentence, I'd like to note that cardboard will never get fat immediately after you marry it either.

[nevilshute]

This.

To expand on point A in that sentence, I'd like to note that cardboard will never get fat immediately after you marry it either.

Proposed to a piece of cardboard have you?

[frogczar]

The future is already here and it's called Commander.

I don't know about the rest of you but really the only Legacy cards that get played around here are in Commander decks.

RIP Legacy. Your new casual nature is affordable and appealing to a much wider base of players.

[Whitefaces]

The future is already here and it's called Commander.

I don't know about the rest of you but really the only Legacy cards that get played around here are in Commander decks.

RIP Legacy. Your new casual nature is affordable and appealing to a much wider base of players.

Um, what? The play style and player base of Commander is at pretty much the opposite end of the spectrum from Legacy.

[LeoCop 90]

I think if you are looking into a format similar to legacy you should consider tiny leaders and not commander

[GundamGuy]

Which would rather blow 2k on: pieces of cardboard or a piece of ass*?

Why not both?

Just spend 2K on copies of City of Ass.

[supremePINEAPPLE]

The future is already here and it's called Commander.

I don't know about the rest of you but really the only Legacy cards that get played around here are in Commander decks.

RIP Legacy. Your new casual nature is affordable and appealing to a much wider base of players.

Commander is the magic version of special ed.

[Megadeus]

1v1commander maybe. Multiplayer is just absolutely msierable

[Julian23]

French Commander (= optimized for 1v1) is the only Commander I as a competitive player enjoy. But I do enjoy it very much. We also often have tournaments for it at big Eternal events, which is great and makes me want to really buy into it.

It's just a shame that the terminology is still so ambiguous. When I sit down for a match of 1v1 "Commander", I don't want my opponent to turn1 Sol Ring.

[hymn22rock]

I don't know about the rest of you but really the only Legacy cards that get played around here are in Commander decks.

This couldn't be further from the truth outside Boston. There are 5 shops within 30 minutes from me that have Legacy events weekly, typically drawing ~20 players.

[DragoFireheart]

I really do love the responses to my point.

But the lure of Modern is going to impact Legacy. $300 for an underground sea is a bit insane. It also doesn't help that Legacy tournaments are being held less often. I know for my area I see modern tournaments but not legacy.

[Dan Pyre]

French Commander (= optimized for 1v1) is the only Commander I as a competitive player enjoy. But I do enjoy it very much. We also often have tournaments for it at big Eternal events, which is great and makes me want to really buy into it.

It's just a shame that the terminology is still so ambivalent. When I sit down for a match of 1v1 "Commander", I don't want my opponent to turn1 Sol Ring.

Seconding this. Duel Commander (the 'official' terminology for it) is a surprisingly in-depth competitive format. It plays very much like 'Legacy-lite' and optimal deckbuilding leads you far astray from a multiplayer Commander deck, making it feel like an entirely new format. It's the only format I enjoy more than Legacy. The only hard part is convincing people that, yes, Sol Ring is very much broken ESPECIALLY if you're playing 1v1. No, Primeval Titan is not broken in a 1v1 game. Etc...

I would highly recommend any Legacy enthusiasts to check it out if you're looking for a new competitive format with eternal card pool to try.

[Tammit67]

Seconding this. Duel Commander (the 'official' terminology for it) is a surprisingly in-depth competitive format. It plays very much like 'Legacy-lite' and optimal deckbuilding leads you far astray from a multiplayer Commander deck, making it feel like an entirely new format. It's the only format I enjoy more than Legacy. The only hard part is convincing people that, yes, Sol Ring is very much broken ESPECIALLY if you're playing 1v1. No, Primeval Titan is not broken in a 1v1 game. Etc...

I would highly recommend any Legacy enthusiasts to check it out if you're looking for a new competitive format with eternal card pool to try.

They banned my Edric and my flying men.dec is useless!

[Dan Pyre]

They banned my Edric and my flying men.dec is useless!

Scryb Sprites were a REAL THREAT in that deck ;)

[menace13]

French Commander (= optimized for 1v1) is the only Commander I as a competitive player enjoy. But I do enjoy it very much. We also often have tournaments for it at big Eternal events, which is great and makes me want to really buy into it.

It's just a shame that the terminology is still so ambiguous. When I sit down for a match of 1v1 "Commander", I don't want my opponent to turn1 Sol Ring.

Odd. I find modo commander to be a better 1v1 format than french rules. I feel it's less constrictive, has more depth and more decks. Clique, Edric, and Zur aren't banned. One of the best decks me and friends have made is 5 color OmniTell. Beats pretty much any board state and only has trouble against a few decks(anything faster like Hermit Druid, or otherwise Clique).

Edit : Also tucking rules were still in effect last I played. Which I love.

[Richard Cheese]

Seattle has an excellent scene that seems to grow year over year. The regional Facebook group has 1500+ members, is highly active, and acts as The Place to advertise events. The hotspots for Legacy are Card Kingdom and Mox Boarding House (sister stores roughly 45-60 min apart) with locations in the two biggest metropolitan areas. They have Legacy weeklies on Mondays and Thursdays with payouts as follows:

$10 entry fee, 4 rounds, starts at 6:30 PM. 4-0 is $70 store credit, 3-0-1 is $50, 3-1 is $30, 2-0-2 is $20, and 2-1-1 is $15.

Store credit is saved on gift cards which an also be used in the restaurants AKA you can win at Magic and then buy microbrew booze with your winnings. Turnout is typically 30-45 players. For a weekly event.

The stores are clean, have plenty of space, excellent selection, singles, and also sell booze + upscale food. This is an ideal situation for MTG players.

How do you sell booze and sanction events in the same place? I thought that was against some WotC policy?

In terms of local economy, Denver has been growing like crazy and our job market is doing pretty well, which gives me some hope. Still, in that MTGS article, you'll notice DEN is at or near the bottom for attendance numbers every time it shows up. Our scene has definitely declined over the past year or so too. I think part of it is because we had too many stores spread out all over town each trying to run an event on a different weeknight. As nice as it sounds, nobody's driving 30min across town to play on Monday when there's an event 15min away on Tuesday.

Another, more concerning issue is that a lot of the long-time players (myself included), just haven't felt like screwing with the format. The reasons vary, but everyone just seems to be feeling burnt out on Legacy lately (personally I could do without seeing another Delver of Secrets ever again). Several went to Modern, and a handful of us are just getting together to do casual stuff like cube or limited because there can be booze and food and a more laid-back atmosphere.

I'd love to turn it around somehow, but I don't know how to get anyone else back into the format when I can't seem to get myself excited about it.